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Philadelphia Eagles Dominate Kansas City Chiefs 40-22; Trump Says He Will Announce Reciprocal Tariffs this Week; Trump Doubles Down on Plans to Redevelop Gaza; Zelenskyy: Ready to Negotiate But Needs Security Guarantees. Aired 4-4:30a ET

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We might see some history. Instead, we got a historic blowout.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We just went out there, executed the game plan, the preparation that we had all week, it really showed out there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: President Trump announced that he would be unveiling reciprocal tariffs on countries that tariff the U.S.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Very simply, it's if they charge us, we charge them.

RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: The European Union is not fit for purpose when it comes to dealing with something like President Trump.

EMMANUEL MACRON, FRENCH PRESIDENT: I think it could be the opposite when you have direct contact.

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ANNOUNCER: Live from London, this is CNN NEWSROOM with Max Foster and Christina Macfarlane.

MAX FOSTER, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, welcome to our viewers joining us around the world. I'm Max Foster.

CHRISTINA MACFARLANE, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Christina Macfarlane. It's Monday, February 10th, 9 a.m. here in London, 3 a.m. in New Orleans, Louisiana, where the Philadelphia Eagles have denied the Kansas City Chiefs a chance at history with a decisive victory in Super Bowl 59. The Eagles led from start to finish, dominating the Chiefs in all three phases of the game.

Philadelphia won it 40-22 for their second Super Bowl title in franchise history.

FOSTER: Taylor Swift on hand, of course, for the game. But her boyfriend, Travis Kelce, and the two-time defending champion Chiefs were denied a third consecutive Super Bowl win, which no team has done before.

MACFARLANE: Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts was named the game's MVP after throwing two touchdown passes and running for another -- while rushing for 72 yards. That's a Super Bowl record for a quarterback.

FOSTER: The victory was sweet revenge for the Eagles, who lost to the Chiefs on a late-field goal in the Super Bowl two years ago.

MACFARLANE: Well, Andy Scholes joins us now from the Superdome in New Orleans, where it all went down. And, Andy, this wasn't just a win. This was a demolition by the Eagles.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN WORLD SPORT: It certainly was, right here on this field at the Superdome. And as you can see, Christina and Max, we're the only people left here after Super Bowl 59, but happy to be with you this morning. And as you mentioned, we came into this game thinking that maybe we were going to see history and the Chiefs be the first team ever to win back-to-back-to-back Super Bowls.

That was not the case. We got a whole different kind of history, a historic performance from the Eagles' defense. They just put a beatdown on Patrick Mahomes for the likes that he has never seen his entire career.

Show you how it all went down. The stars were certainly out for Super Bowl 59. President Trump was in attendance, the first-ever sitting president to attend the Super Bowl.

And as you mentioned, Taylor Swift, she was here, sporting boyfriend Travis Kelce. Eagles fans actually booed her rather loudly at one point when they showed her on the Jumbotron, but she had a perfect reaction to it, played it off. It was one of the funnier moments of the night.

Now, the story of this one was the Eagles' just relentless defense. They sacked Mahomes six times. They had him under pressure all night long.

And the big moment in the first half was rookie Cooper DeJean picking off Mahomes, taking it back 38 yards for the touchdown. And this was Cooper's 22nd birthday. What a birthday present for the rookie, a moment he'll never forget.

So that made it 17-0. Then Mahomes, he threw another interception before halftime. This is the first time in Mahomes' career that he threw two picks and was sacked three times in the first half. Certainly bad timing for that to happen.

And Jalen Hurts, on the other hand, he was fantastic. Finds A.J. Brown before halftime to make it 24-0. Hurts, just five incompletions all game long. Threw for two touchdowns, ran for another. He had 72 yards rushing, which was a record for a quarterback in the Super Bowl.

Eagles just dominant, winning 40-22, and it wasn't even that close. And Hurts was named your Super Bowl 59 MVP.

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JALEN HURTS, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES QUARTERBACK: It's been a journey of ups and downs and highs and lows, and I've always stayed true to it in the end, you know. And having this vision of just being the best that I can be and that evolving over time into this desire and this flame inside to win.

COOPER DEJEAN, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES CORNERBACK: It's crazy. World champs. Best birthday ever. Best birthday ever.

I think everybody in my family would agree, too. I'm just happy they're going to be here to be a part of this.

HURTS: Defense played their ass off. They played how they played all year. You know, and I truly believe offense wins the game, but defense wins championships.

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SCHOLES: Yes, defense wins championships. And that defensive line for the Eagles, what a performance. Six sacks.

You had Josh Sweat with two and a half. Milton Williams had two.

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And, you know, they're anchored by those two big guys in the middle, Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter.

And I caught up with Jalen Carter right after the win on the field. Take a listen.

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SCHOLES: How does it feel to be a Super Bowl champ?

JALEN CARTER, PHILADELPHIA EAGLES DEFENSIVE TACKLE: I feel good, man. You see the smile. You see what family, brother, mom and I be. Man, this is what it's all about. This is what it's all about.

SCHOLES: What about that performance of your defense?

CARTER: Oh, my God, bro. Like, this right here, this craziest Super Bowl I ever seen.

With defensive players turning up by, like, eight sacks this game. It was crazy. You got to get processed. Really, everybody who made plays today.

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SCHOLES: Yes, and crazy was really the feeling from everyone in the stands. I was sitting around a lot of Eagles fans. They were even in just disbelief at what they were able to do in this game.

The Chiefs only had 23 yards of offense in the first half. Think about that. The Eagles had 24 points.

The Chiefs only had 23 yards of offense. It was certainly a rough night all the way through for Patrick Mahomes in that Chiefs offense. He was clearly disappointed after the game. Here's what he had to say after the defeat.

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PATRICK MAHOMES, KANSAS CITY CHIEFS QUARTERBACK: Credit to the Eagles, man. They played better than us from start to finish. We didn't start how we wanted to.

Obviously, the turnovers hurt. And, I mean, I was kind of -- I take all the blame for that. And I mean, just those early turnovers swing the momentum of the game. And then they capitalized on them. And they scored. I mean, they scored on the one. And then they got a touchdown immediately after. So, that's 14 points that I kind of gave them. And it's hard to come back from that in the Super Bowl.

And so, just didn't play to my standard. And I have to be better next time.

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SCHOLES: Yes. So, Patrick Mahomes now drops to 3-2 in Super Bowls. But, you know, Max and Christina, it was just basically an Eagles party once halftime hit.

I mean, when they were up 24-0, all their fans pretty much knew it was over with the way they were playing. And they were all celebrating. And I imagine that celebration in Philadelphia just as crazy. And it's going to last throughout the week as they have a victory parade later on.

MACFARLANE: Yes, late in the night there, Andy. But I hear the celebrations are still going on, on the streets of Philadelphia, as you can imagine. What an emphatic win. And great for you to be there to witness it. Our Andy Scholz there live from New Orleans. Cheers, Andy.

FOSTER: Well, you heard how President Trump became the first sitting president to attend the Super Bowl on Sunday. He is gearing up for his fourth week in office amid an aggressive overhaul of the federal government. Employees at America's top financial watchdog were told not to come into the office this week.

The headquarters of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau in Washington, D.C., will be closed, according to an e-mail obtained by CNN. It comes after employees were ordered to stop virtually all of their work on Saturday night.

MACFARLANE: Meanwhile, a judge is blocking Elon Musk's DOGE team from accessing payment system used by the Treasury Department, a move President Trump is now calling crazy. He says hundreds of millions of dollars is being wasted by the government. Ahead of Sunday's big game, President Trump laid out several new

policy plans. He says today he'll impose a 25 percent tariff on all imported steel and aluminum.

FOSTER: Later in the week, he plans to announce massive new reciprocal tariffs. CNN's Betsy Klein is following the latest developments.

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BETSY KLEIN, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE PRODUCER: President Donald Trump continuing to flood the zone with content, speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One for about 30 minutes as he made his way to New Orleans to attend the Super Bowl on Sunday. President Trump announced that he would be unveiling reciprocal tariffs on countries that tariff the U.S. on Tuesday or Wednesday at a press conference. He also unveiled plans on Monday to announce steel and aluminum tariffs at a rate of 25 percent.

That is 25 percent on all steel and aluminum imports coming into the U.S. Both of these moves taken together mark Trump making good on a key campaign promise of his 2024 campaign.

President Trump also doubled down on his plans to redevelop Gaza, telling reporters aboard Air Force One to, quote, think of it as a big real estate site. Take a look.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think that it's a big mistake to allow people, the Palestinians or the people living in Gaza, to go back yet another time. And we don't want Hamas going back. And think of it as a big real estate site.

And the United States is going to own it and will slowly, very slowly, we're in no rush, develop it. We're going to bring stability to the Middle East.

KLEIN: Trump again suggested that other Middle Eastern countries would house displaced Palestinians in what he described as, quote, beautiful sites. But we should note that most regional leaders, with the exception of Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, have rejected these plans.

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We should also note that 90 percent of Gaza residents have been displaced and many have been forced to move repeatedly, according to the United Nations.

So all of this will be a major topic for discussion later this week when President Trump hosts the King of Jordan at the White House in Washington.

Betsy Klein, CNN, traveling with the president in West Palm Beach, Florida.

(END VIDEOTAPE) FOSTER: As the Trump administration's attempt to remake the federal government meets resistance from federal judges, Vice President J.D. Vance is pushing back on social media.

MACFARLANE: Vance says the courts can't control the executive branch's, quote, legitimate power. He didn't refer to a specific court order.

FOSTER: But judges have dealt numerous setbacks to President Trump's agenda recently. In one of the latest moves, a federal judge temporarily barred Elon Musk's government efficiency team from accessing a Treasury Department payment system. Musk called the judge corrupt.

Well, earlier I spoke with Natasha Lindstaedt, a professor of government at the University of Essex. She explains why the vice president's comments about the courts are alarming.

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NATASHA LINDSTAEDT, PROFESSOR OF GOVERNMENT, UNIVERSITY OF ESSEX: I would argue that that's not really a democracy when there's not any checks and balances, when you have almost like a super presidential system that you see in hybrid regimes. That's not really a democracy. There needs to be some way of checking the executive.

And that's why we have Article 1 of our Constitution, which empowers Congress to have the power of the purse, to set the budget, to allot spending for different agencies and organizations. And so that's why we're seeing all this legal pushback. Because what Trump has been doing, and he's been on a rampage trying to dismantle the U.S. government, but what he's been doing is not constitutional.

And so I think if you look back into 2017, right after Trump was elected, what we saw was a lot of protests on the streets. This time around, we don't see so many people protesting as much, but you're seeing all kinds of legal resistance, whether it be to the attempt to shut down U.S. aid or to get millions of federal employees to resign and take some sort of deal, or the fact that they were allowing DOGE with Elon Musk had basically tried to take over the Department of Treasury's payment system and access highly confidential and sensitive information. There have just been all kinds of legal forms of resistance to this because it violates the Constitution.

FOSTER: Effectively, they're talking about the courts being unable to control the executive branch because they have legitimate power. How do you think the courts will handle this? Because they're independent, aren't they? They're meant to stay away from politics altogether. But do you think they'll be more proactive in defending their position?

LINDSTAEDT: I mean, this is a great question, and we don't know the answer. What we do see thus far is some of the judges, the federal judges that have pushed back against this, some of them have been appointed by Trump. And if you look at, in totality, the number of federal judges appointed, 57 percent of the current judges were appointed by Democratic presidents. And then you have those that are appointed by Trump and a few by Reagan and Clinton. But for the most part, we've seen judges push back. Now, if this goes all the way up to the Supreme Court, that's another important question.

Thus far, the Supreme Court has been incredibly pliant towards Trump's wishes, granting him immunity, which was just a monumental decision. But will they really decide to weaken the power of the legislative branch and grant the executive this much power? I mean, that, I think, might be one step too far.

And, of course, all of this is going to come down to whether or not Trump will adhere to these judicial decisions or not.

FOSTER: OK, and in terms of these tariffs, we're expecting to be confirmed later on. I mean, we know about the steel. That's obviously attacking Mexico and Canada again, because that's where most of the steel comes from, but some potential for other tariffs as well. What are you expecting?

LINDSTAEDT: So this is another move that I think will have horrible knock-on effects on the U.S. economy. As you mentioned, Trump is going after the U.S. allies, like Canada, like Mexico. The U.S. also gets a lot of steel from Brazil. And this is an input. This is an important input to making cars and vehicles and other things of this nature that is going to make it more expensive to produce manufactured goods.

So while he sees tariffs as this negotiating tool or something that the U.S. needs to apply to countries to get even with them or to get a fair deal, he's not looking at the long run about tariffs. And the other issue is that with these countries that the U.S. has been trading with, our economies are complementary.

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So it doesn't really make sense to apply tariffs. We're not in competition with one another.

FOSTER: But they're going to go ahead anyway. And steel seems like a different prospect from some of the other tariffs, because this is a long-term strategy, isn't it, for President Trump to bolster American steel? It's not necessarily -- it doesn't appear to be some sort of, you know, vehicle to get him to another set of negotiations.

LINDSTAEDT: No, you're right. And he's applied tariffs on steel before. He thinks this is a way of catering to some elements of his base.

But I think this is one of the really dangerous things that you see when you apply tariffs. It leads to cronyism, because you're going to have key powerful individuals jockeying to get preferential treatment on these tariffs. They'll say, oh, no, we need to be exempt from this.

And what will I give you in return? I'm going to give you X, Y, Z. And we see that because Trump is a very transactional president, he's going to have a lot of these types of interactions. And this isn't good for the economy overall to devolve into some form of cronyistic style economy. And I think this is one of the things that worries me about it.

But the other thing is, of course, there's going to be retaliatory tariffs. And this isn't good for global trade, for economic interdependence. And we're going to see a rise in prices, not just in the U.S., but across the globe.

FOSTER: OK, Natasha, thank you so much for that. Wait to see what comes from the tariffs today.

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FOSTER (on camera): Well, President Trump says he's spoken to President Putin and he's hoping the war in Ukraine ends fast.

Coming up, we'll find out what a member of Ukraine's parliament thinks about that plan.

MACFARLANE: And China begins to impose retaliatory tariffs against the United States. As President Trump warns, even more levies could be coming for trade partners around the globe. We'll look at the possible impacts of that just ahead.

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FOSTER: U.S. President Donald Trump is repeating his proposal for the U.S. to redevelop Gaza, calling it a, quote, big real estate site for the United States. The plan would include relocating some 2 million Palestinians from their homes to other countries in the Middle East.

MACFARLANE: Well, critics and human rights groups are condemning the proposal as a violation of international law and ethnic cleansing. But Israel's prime minister is praising the U.S. president's plan.

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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER (through translator): President Trump came with a completely different vision, much better for the state of Israel, a revolutionary and creative vision, which we are discussing. He is very determined to carry it out. This also opens many possibilities before us.

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MACFARLANE: Well, as Russia's war in Ukraine approaches its third anniversary, U.S. President Donald Trump says he has spoken to his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, and he hopes the conflict ends, quote, fast.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know you don't want to tell us about you're conversation with President Putin but can you clarify whether you had that since you've been in office? Or whether it happened before you became President?

TRUMP: I've had it. Let's just say I've had it. And I expect to have many more conversations.

We have to get that war ended. It's going to end. And we have to get it ended, and we have to get it ended so it should have never happened, would have never happened if I was president.

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FOSTER: Now, meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is saying that he's ready to negotiate with Putin, but only if certain conditions are met.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): If I had an understanding that America and Europe would not abandon us and that they would support us and provide security guarantees, I would be ready for any format of negotiations.

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FOSTER: Joining me now live from Kyiv is Kira Rudik, a member of the Ukrainian parliament and leader of the Golos political party. Kyra, thank you so much for joining us. Where is the negotiation room for President Zelenskyy then, when in the past it's always been Russia has to get out, that's the only option, we need to win this war?

KIRA RUDIK, UKRAINIAN PARLIAMENT MEMBER: Hello, Max, and thank you so much for having me. Well, we see that the political situation changes and the president is trying to get the best future for Ukraine that is currently possible. We understand that it is not our wish to have any agreement with Putin, because we know that he will break it.

But, of course, the main goal of Ukraine is to continue as a state and to protect our people. When the president is talking about any discussions with Putin, the main question still remains the same. This question is who or what will make sure that Russia would not attack us again and that they will actually go with any part of the deal that they will sign off to.

Because what we have seen in the past, and these are facts, that in 2014 we already had a ceasefire that actually never worked and there was no one to ensure that Russia will honor their part of the deal. And when we are talking about any discussions, potential discussions with Russia, the main thing is how to make sure they are actually executed in future.

FOSTER: But what is the basis of the deal? Would Ukraine give up land, for example, as part of a deal?

RUDIK: I don't see any legal or political way for Ukraine to give up any territories that are right now temporarily occupied. But the same way as there were territories that were temporarily occupied by Russia since 2014, there could be territories that will remain in this state and that perhaps may be something that will be in discussion. However, that would be up to President Zelenskyy and the Ukrainian parliament to be working with this deal.

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Again, we are not talking about any details right now because for us the main frame is the most important.

And the question in this frame, whatever is within the discussion, is, OK, well, if Russia breaks this, then what? And before we have any answer to that question, there is no point in discussing territories, then making sure that war criminals are brought to justice, anything else. It doesn't make any sense before we know what would happen if Russia breaks their part of the deal.

Because in our hearts we know that that will happen.

FOSTER: So you want to hear from President Trump that there will be sanctions if Russia breaks the deal. Is that what you're saying?

RUDIK: No, we want to have real assurances because as we have seen that sanctions are not --

FOSTER: Sorry, not sanctions, but America would -- If Russia breaks the deal, the United States would step in and get involved more.

RUDIK: Absolutely, not only the United States, but our European partners too. This is why President Zelenskyy was saying that he is looking at the options to have a deal if Ukraine will get our seat in the NATO. Because we need a practical way of assuring our security if Russia attacks us again.

And right now assurances of the sanctions are actually not giving us the necessary way of moving forward. So would that be additional military support? Would that be international military intervention?

That is something that needs to be discussed. But any of the details about any of the negotiations should come within this idea. OK, if not, then what?

FOSTER: OK, so what we're talking about here then is, you know, not going straight into negotiations with Russia, but Ukraine getting assurances from the United States and Europe that if you go into talks with Russia, these are the conditions of those talks, is that right? So it will be a while off.

RUDIK: Well, if we are going into the talks with Russia, these are the conditions and assurances that Ukraine has that Russia would not be able to attack us again, or these are the things that would happen if Russia will go ahead and break their part of the deal. This is the key point. And this has been our key point for a while right now.

Because you know, Max, here we have a very bad experience with Budapest Memorandum, when in 1994 Ukraine has gone into this agreement with the United States, Russia, and United Kingdom that we are giving up on our second largest nuclear arsenal for the assurances of the sovereign integrity -- of the sovereign and territorial integrity. And look where these assurances got us. So we are looking at something very practical right now.

FOSTER: OK, thank you so much, Kira Rudik. Really appreciate your insight on that from Kyiv.

China is giving the United States a taste of its own medicine with new retaliatory action against Donald Trump's tariffs raising concerns of an all-out trade war. Details ahead.

MACFARLANE: And a private investigator used to make his living running scams and stealing people's money. Now he's working to catch the culprits behind the hoaxes. That's coming up.

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