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Teacher Detained in Russia Back in the U.S. After Exchange; Israeli Prime Minister Says Ceasefire Will End If Hamas Delays Hostage Release; Trump and Musk Defend DOGE and Government Overhaul; Real Impact of USAID Cuts on Thai Refugee Camp; Refugees Rely on USAID Funds for Medical Needs. Aired 12-12:45a ET
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JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: A good faith gesture towards ending Russia's war in Ukraine.
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Hello, I'm John Vause. Coming up this hour on CNN NEWSROOM.
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MARC FOGEL, U.S. TEACHER FORMERLY DETAINED IN RUSSIA: I feel like the luckiest man on earth right now.
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VAUSE: American teacher Marc Fogel, now home after being wrongfully detained for years in Russia.
Israel readies for a return to war.
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BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER (through translator): If Hamas does not return our hostages by Saturday noon, the ceasefire will end.
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VAUSE: The Israeli prime minister emboldened it seems by support from the U.S. president.
Also, this.
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IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The hospital here largely depended on U.S. government funding, which suddenly stopped.
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VAUSE: After six decades of soft diplomacy through saving lives, the devastating impact from an end to U.S. foreign aid.
ANNOUNCER: Live from Atlanta, this is CNN NEWSROOM with John Vause.
VAUSE: After nearly three years or four years, rather, in a Russian labor camp, American school teacher Marc Fogel has been set free and is now back on U.S. soil. His release comes after the Trump administration struck a deal with Moscow, described as a show of good faith towards ending the war in Ukraine. In the past hour, Fogel met with President Trump at the White House, thanking U.S. officials who negotiated his freedom.
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FOGEL: I feel like the luckiest man on earth right now. And I want you to know that I am not a hero in this at all. And President Trump is a hero. And these men that came from the diplomatic service are heroes. The senators and representatives that passed legislation in my honor to get me home are the heroes.
I am in awe of what they all did. My family has been a force. I think my 95-year-old mother is probably the most dynamic 95-year-old on earth right now. And I am so indebted to so many people.
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VAUSE: Specific details about his release have not been made public, with the White House sidestepping any questions about what the U.S. gave Russia in return for Fogel, who had been sentenced in 2022 to 14 years in prison on drug charges.
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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What were the terms of this deal, Mr. President?
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Very fair. Very, very fair, very reasonable. Not like deals you've seen over the years. They were very fair. And I think that's going to lead and somebody else is being released tomorrow that you will know of. But we wanted to get this done. Very important. And Steve wanted to actually fly over and get Marc and get him home properly because it could be a pretty tough trip.
UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: So is this -- so is this the beginning of a deal, sir? Is this the start of --
TRUMP: I think it's goodwill in terms of the war. You know, a million and a half soldiers, young people have been killed.
FOGEL: I've met many of them,
TRUMP: Yes. And it's a terrible thing going on. So we want to get that done. I think this could be the very important element. You could be a big part of it actually, because it could be a big, important part of getting the war over with Ukraine.
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VAUSE: More now from CNN's Fred Pleitgen reporting in from Moscow.
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FREDERIK PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: After several years in Russian detention, American Marc Fogel is now back in the United States. Now all of this appeared to be shaping up throughout the better part of the day on Tuesday here in the Russian capital, when it appeared that a plane belonging to Steve Witkoff had landed in Moscow, coming directly from the United States.
The spokesman for the Kremlin, Dmitri Peskov, he was asked about all of this in a regular scheduled call with journalists, and he refused to comment on it, saying that he had nothing further to add. Now, it was not until very much later in the day that it became clear that, indeed, Marc Fogel had been released by the Russians. The White House coming out with a statement saying that Marc Fogel was already on his way back to the United States.
A picture of Fogel on the aircraft was then later also published, apparently showing him relaxing inside that plane on his way back to the United States.
Now, in a statement, the Fogel family obviously expressed their gratitude and their joy at having Marc Fogel being released. They said, quote, "We are beyond grateful, relieved and overwhelmed that after more than three years of detention, our father, husband and son, Marc Fogel is finally coming home. This has been the darkest and most painful period of our lives, but today we begin to heal."
And it certainly was an ordeal for the Fogel family. Marc Fogel was a teacher here in the Russian capital. He was detained while arriving at Moscow's Sheremetyevo Airport in 2021 with 17 grams of marijuana on him.
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The Russians are claiming that this was obviously illegal. His legal team saying that this was for medical purposes. Now, Fogel was convicted to 14 years in Russian detention, and he was later deemed wrongfully detained by the U.S. government. However, there was a big prisoner exchange, of course, that happened in the summer of last year and Marc Fogel was not part of that exchange. His family obviously voicing that they were very disappointed about that.
The Trump administration says that all of this was a negotiated release. It's unclear, however, with this exchange, as the Trump administration puts it, what exactly the Russians got in return for releasing Marc Fogel.
Fred Pleitgen, CNN, Moscow.
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VAUSE: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has warned that a Gaza ceasefire will end if Hamas does not release Israeli hostages on Saturday as planned. Israel's foreign minister adds the Israeli military is prepared for a possible attack by Hamas as well. And the warning from Israel comes a day after Hamas threatened to delay a hostage release scheduled for the weekend over alleged Israeli ceasefire violations.
The militant group says it remains committed to this multi-phase agreement, but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seems emboldened by recent support from the U.S. president.
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NETANYAHU (through translator): We all welcomed President Trump's demand for the release of our hostages by Saturday noon and we all also welcome the president's revolutionary vision for the future of Gaza.
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VAUSE: U.S. president Donald Trump hosted Jordan's King Abdullah at the White House on Tuesday, discussing his plan for Gaza, which includes a U.S. takeover of the Palestinian territory and moving all Palestinians to Egypt and Jordan. King Abdullah says his country is steadfast against the mass displacement of Palestinians. But President Trump claimed, quote, "U.S. authority" to take Gaza and doubled down on his deadline for Hamas to release Israeli hostages.
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TRUMP: They either have them out by Saturday at 12:00 or all bets are off.
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VAUSE: CNN's Jeremy Diamond brings us the very latest.
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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After three weeks of emotional reunions in Israel and at long last calm in Gaza, the Israel-Hamas ceasefire now hanging by a thread.
NETANYAHU (through translator): If Hamas does not return our hostages by Saturday noon, the ceasefire will end and the IDF will return to intense fighting until Hamas is completely defeated.
DIAMOND: The Israeli prime minister piggybacking off this ultimatum from President Trump.
TRUMP: As far as I'm concerned, if all of the hostages aren't returned by Saturday at 12:00, I think it's an appropriate time, I would say cancel it and all bets are off and let hell break out.
DIAMOND: After convening his security cabinet, Netanyahu not going quite as far, with an Israeli official telling CNN Israel is demanding Hamas release nine living hostages in the coming days. Hamas threatening not to release any hostages this weekend, accusing
Israel of multiple ceasefire violations. The Palestinian Ministry of Health says Israel has killed 92 people and wounded another 822 in Gaza since the start of the ceasefire. Israel has acknowledged several incidents during the ceasefire in which troops opened fire, saying Palestinians approached IDF positions in Gaza.
Humanitarian aid has surged into Gaza, but Palestinian officials say Israel is blocking the entry of some shelters. Leaving many here exposed to the wind and rain. Israel called Hamas's accusations completely false.
The back and forth could not come at a more sensitive time in Israel after the release of three emaciated hostages shocked the nation. Those images driving a new wave of protests, demanding the government reach a deal to release all 76 hostages as several families learned more about the conditions their loved ones are enduring.
ZIV ABUD, GIRLFRIEND OF HOSTAGE ELIYA COHEN: We heard that he was wounded. We heard that it was tortured, and that he didn't get medical care. And that there was starving.
DIAMOND: In Israel's parliament, heated confrontations.
Slaughtered and forgotten, disgusting, this woman shouts at former minister of National Security Itamar Ben-Gvir, who is among those calling for returning to war.
In Gaza fear and anxiety about that potential return to war.
I pray to God the war doesn't restart. It's enough how many victims we lost, how many homes were destroyed, this woman says. We are exhausted.
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Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Tel Aviv.
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VAUSE: To Washington now and joining us is Khaled Elgindy, visiting scholar at the Georgetown University Center for Contemporary Arab Studies. He's also author of "Blind Spot: America and the Palestinians from Balfour to Trump."
Welcome back. Thanks for being here.
Thanks for having me.
VAUSE: OK, so this threat from Hamas, it came on a Monday that the next hostage release would be delayed over alleged Israeli violations of the ceasefire and the timing here supports the Hamas claim that they want this issue at least attempted to be resolved through negotiations. In response, here's the Israeli prime minister.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) NETANYAHU (through translator): In light of Hamas's announcement of its decision to violate the agreement and not release our hostages, Monday night I ordered the military to gather forces inside and around the Gaza Strip. This operation is being carried out at this time.
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VAUSE: And his foreign minister piled on with this. "If Hamas does not release the hostages, we will return to military operations and fighting. We are also prepared for the fact that Hamas may try to attack Israel."
Did Hamas give the Israeli government the excuse they've been waiting for to try and blow up this ceasefire deal, which took more than 100 or more than 400 days, I should say, to negotiate?
KHALED ELGINDY, VISITING SCHOLAR, GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY'S CENTER FOR CONTEMPORARY ARAB STUDIES: Yes. I mean, they might have. I mean, it was -- it's a risky move on the part of Hamas. But I do think that they are angling for a diplomatic resolution. As you said, there's enough time to reach that if the parties want to. The bluster from the Israeli leadership that is also being echoed by the Trump administration, I think is not promising.
I think Netanyahu would be happy, I think, to end the ceasefire and to go back to fighting because that is what his far-right coalition partners want from him. And that's what is likely to keep him in power.
VAUSE: We also had Jordan's King Abdullah at the White House on Tuesday. After that meeting, he tweeted that his meeting with President Trump, or during that meeting, quote, "I reiterated Jordan's steadfast position against the displacement of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. This is the unified Arab position, rebuilding Gaza without displacing the Palestinians and addressing the dire humanitarian situation should be the priority of all."
And Donald Trump says U.S. Military assistance for Jordan could be withheld, that's about $1.5 billion a year, unless Palestinians from Gaza are permanently resettled in Jordan. He made the same threat to Egypt as well, but then kind of walked it back a little bit on Tuesday. But this does seem to be not only a no win situation for Abdullah, but could you also see some serious problems here for both Israel and the U.S.?
ELGINDY: Oh, yes. There's no question. I mean, obviously Jordan is a small country. It's a weak party. It's very heavily dependent on U.S. aid. But at the same time, it is a major security partner for the United States and has been for a long time. It is a country that has longstanding peace treaty with Israel that is now more than three decades old and has important security cooperation with Israel as well. So destabilizing a country like Jordan is not in the long term interest or even the short term interest of the United States or Israel.
But also it's important to remember that Jordan is not alone in this. Egypt is in a similar position. It has a slightly more strategic position than Jordan, given its size and weight in the region but still a very difficult meeting today between the king and the president.
VAUSE: Yes, and there was that photo op, too, when the U.S. president continued to sort of explain to reporters what he meant by owning Gaza. Here he is.
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TRUMP: We're not going to buy anything. We're going to have it, and we're going to keep it, and we're going to make sure that there's going to be peace. And we'll have lots of good things built there, including hotels and office buildings and housing and other things.
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VAUSE: Not a Palestinian in sight. Even talking about, you know, this plan, if it is a plan, how much harm is being done by that to U.S. and Israeli relations with the Arab world, especially with Saudi Arabia and any hopes of normalizing relations between Jerusalem and Riyadh?
ELGINDY: Yes, I mean, I think the hopes for Saudi-Israel normalization were already pretty distant before, even before Trump came to office just because of the last 15 months of destruction in Gaza. But now I think it's completely off the table. And you can see that even in the barbs back and forth between the Saudis and the Israelis.
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I mean, Netanyahu saying if the Saudis want a Palestinian state, why don't they give up their own territory and put Palestinians there? So that's not a leader who's talking like someone who's interested in having normal relations with a major player like Saudi Arabia.
VAUSE: Yes, it seems like a lot of damage is being done over something which seems unlikely to actually become reality. But I guess we'll see.
Khaled Elgindy, thanks so much for being with us, sir.
ELGINDY: Thank you.
VAUSE: Still to come on CNN, as Elon Musk takes a meat grinder to the federal government for Donald Trump, the SpaceX and Tesla founder under fire for a conflict of interest.
More on that in a moment.
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VAUSE: After just a few weeks, Elon Musk has left behind quite the trail of destruction and devastation within the federal government as he swings a giant cost cutting ax. On Tuesday, though, he was faced with multiple questions over his authority to gut entire agencies, as well as having access to taxpayer data from the Treasury Department.
Musk continues to claim, without any evidence, that the federal government is rife with unelected fraudsters, accepting kickbacks, becoming millionaires through deceit. He claims his efforts are fully public, despite the lack of oversight or potential conflicts of interest with his billions of dollars' worth of government contracts.
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ELON MUSK, DEPARTMENT OF GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY: All of our actions are maximally transparent. In fact, I don't think there's been -- I don't know of a case where an organization has been more transparent than the DOGE organization.
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VAUSE: U.S. President Donald Trump is complaining about the various legal challenges to his sweeping executive orders, claiming judges don't have the right to block his efforts to overhaul the government.
More now on that from chief legal affairs correspondent Paula Reid.
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PAULA REID, CNN CHIEF LEGAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: On Tuesday, President Trump directly addressed concerns that he may not follow court orders as his policies continue to be paused or blocked by federal judges. Asked by a reporter if he will comply with court orders, Trump insisted that he would comply with the courts. He says he always abides by them. But he did of course say that he would appeal and acknowledge those appeals take a long time.
But his comments come as he has attacked judges as being, quote, "activists," and his administration has not complied with all the court orders they have faced. And just Monday night, a federal judge blocked the administration's attempt to limit the amount of money that research institutes can receive from the government. And that was just one of roughly five different ways that the courts told the administration it needed to pause or stop certain policies.
But this losing streak was very much anticipated by Trump lawyers. Before Trump was even sworn in, they said they expected his policies would be challenged in court. They would lose these initial challenges, which are often filed in jurisdictions where the challengers expect to win. Republicans do the same thing when challenging Democratic policies. They also don't expect to win all the appeals, but what they hope to do is get to the Supreme Court, to that conservative supermajority that they hope will share Trump's view of expansive executive power on some of these issues.
So if anyone thinks that this losing streak, losing all of these cases over the past few weeks, that that would be a deterrent for the Trump policies, it will not. The one thing that could get them to change course is if they do get a Supreme Court ruling on one of these policies, that will give them some indication of how the court views the way Trump and DOGE are using the executive branch. Once they get that insight, they might change up some of their
policies or tactics, but certainly not before then.
Paula Reid, CNN, Washington.
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VAUSE: The Associated Press says the White House refused to allow one of their reporters into the Oval Office Tuesday because the agency refuses to call the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America. President Trump signed an order changing the name and declaring February 9th Gulf of America Day. The AP says it acknowledges President Trump's name change, but it will continue to use the name, which has existed for more than 400 years.
Another Trump initiative has been to freeze humanitarian aid. And when we come back, we'll take you to see the real impact of those cuts are having at a refugee camp in Thailand.
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VAUSE: Welcome back, everyone. I'm John Vause. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM.
On Monday, the U.S. inspector general of USAID released a report highly critical of efforts by the Trump administration to dismantle the agency. On Tuesday, he was fired, according to one source. Keep in mind, the job of inspector general is to be an independent, nonpartisan watchdog.
Paul Martin was fired via e-mail, effective immediately. No reason was given. The administration is required under law to provide reasons for dismissal and 30 days' notice to Congress before firing an inspector general.
USAID oversees the distribution of foreign aid from the United States. The Trump administration has moved swiftly to gut the agency as well as freeze funding and put staff on leave.
The sweeping changes ordered by President Trump and Elon Musk are having a real impact on people across the world who are in desperate need of help.
CNN's Ivan Watson takes us inside a refugee camp in Thailand.
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WATSON (voice-over): This is what happens when the world's biggest aid donor suddenly stops sending money. Families ordered to evacuate their sick loved ones from this hospital in the mountains of western Thailand. Days later, the hospital deserted. Its front gate locked shut.
This is a refugee camp for tens of thousands of people who fled the Civil War across the nearby border in neighboring Myanmar. The hospital here largely depended on U.S. government funding, which suddenly stopped, and now nearly two weeks later, there isn't a single doctor on duty for this community of more than 30,000 people.
(Voice-over): It's a 30-minute drive from this sprawling refugee camp to the nearest Thai hospital. The director here shocked by the sudden closure of the camp hospital.
Has this been stressful, these last two weeks for you?
DR. TAWATCHAI TINGTAWEESAK, DIRECTOR OF THA SONG YANG HOSPITAL: Yes. Yes. Yes. I think so. Very dangerous.
WATSON (voice-over): His facility has to suddenly absorb some of the refugee camp's patients, and that includes 32-year-old Mary.
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WATSON: Is this your first baby?
MARY: Yes.
WATSON: You're going to be a mama soon. You're going to be a mother.
MARY: Yes.
WATSON (voice-over): Suffering high blood pressure, she was rushed to this maternity ward this morning and is now in labor, far from her family and home at the camp.
MARY (through translator): I just want to ask the U.S. government why they have to stop helping the refugees?
WATSON (voice-over): On January 20, President Donald Trump ordered an immediate 90-day pause in all U.S. foreign aid. He declared the USAID industry is "not aligned with American interests" and claims it serves to destabilize world peace.
For years, Myanmar has been ripped apart by a brutal civil war. A military dictatorship that seized power in a coup in 2021 battling numerous insurgent groups.
The conflict has forced more than 3 million people to flee their homes, and now aid organizations tell CNN they only have a month and a half of funding left to feed refugees along the Thai border with Myanmar, leaving smaller aid groups scrambling to fill the gap.
WATSON: You're going into Myanmar.
KANCHANA THORNTON, DIRECTOR, BURMA CHILDREN MEDICAL FUND: This will go across the border, yes.
WATSON (voice-over): Kanchana Thornton regularly takes food, infant formula, and medicine across the border river to desperate people in the conflict zone.
The U.S. funding cut made matters worse.
WATSON: Why is it affecting you? You don't get money from Washington.
THORNTON: Well, patients come to us and asking us for help.
WATSON: Because they're not getting it from the original.
THORNTON: Yes, because they're not getting support that they should from the NGO that got the funding cut.
WATSON (voice-over): Everywhere we go in this poverty-stricken border region, we hear about basic services disrupted and aid workers being laid off.
WATSON: This clinic treats nearly 500 patients a day. It receives nearly 20 percent of its funding from the U.S. government.
Washington has been sending money here for at least 20 years. But now all of that has stopped.
WATSON (voice-over): Uncertainty now felt by Rebecca and her 9-year- old daughter, Rosella.
WATSON: Yes. Can you show me your favorite pictures?
WATSON (voice-over): They're residents of the refugee camp who had to move out of the hospital when it shut down last month. Even though Rosella was born with a bone condition. She needs oxygen around the clock.
"My daughter needs the hospital to be open," Rebecca says. "And so do I, because I'm pregnant."
The cut in U.S. funding means this pregnant mother no longer has access to a doctor, and she doesn't know how much longer her daughter's oxygen will last.
WATSON: The pause in U.S. funding has already become a matter of life and death here. The International Rescue Committee tells CNN that an elderly woman who couldn't get access to supplemental oxygen died after the hospital in her refugee camp closed last month.
Life has never been easy for refugees in this porous border region. And if the world's largest aid donor truly does pull out, I think it's fair to say life will get much, much harder.
Ivan Watson, CNN, on the Thailand-Myanmar border.
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JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: The roundup and mass deportation of undocumented migrants in the U.S. has been sharply criticized by Pope Francis.
In a letter to U.S. bishops writing this, "What is built on the basis of force and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly."
The White House border czar fired back with some choice words for the Holy Father.
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TOM HOMAN, TRUMP'S BORDER CZAR: He wants to attack us from securing our border. He's got a wall around the Vatican, does he not? So, he's got a wall around to protect his people and himself. But we can't have a wall around United States?
So, I wish he'd stick to the Catholic Church and fix that and leave border enforcement to us.
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VAUSE: Yes, the Vatican does have walls, built centuries ago, but still, millions of tourists are allowed to visit St. Peter's Square every year. And there's a public entrance.
In a moment, a blunt message from the U.S. vice president, J.D. Vance, about the future of A.I. opportunity. Good regulation, bad.
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VAUSE: With the United States and China both vying for world domination of A.I., U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance has revealed where the White House stands when it comes to regulations.
During his appearance at the Artificial Intelligence Action Summit in Paris, Vance argued against regulations and government controls, saying they would restrict opportunity.
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J.D. VANCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We believe that excessive regulation of the A.I. sector could kill a transformative industry, just as it's taking off. And we'll make every effort to encourage pro-growth A.I. policies.
And I'd like to see that deregulatory flavor making its -- its way into a lot of the conversations this -- this conference.
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VAUSE: The summit's host, French President Emmanuel Macron, says he's in favor of cutting some red tape but also warned of the need for a trustworthy A.I.
He announced more than $100 billion in private investments for France's A.I. development.
And the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, also announced a $50 billion boost from the E.U. to support the bloc's A.I. ambitions.
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A feud between billionaire tech rivals Elon Musk and OpenAI CEO Sam Altman is getting personal. Altman telling a Musk-backed group of investors the ChatGPT maker is not for sale.
Musk was a co-founder of OpenAI but left the startup in 2018 and has long since been fighting with Altman.
This week, Musk and a group of investors offered to buy OpenAI for almost $100 billion, but Altman rejected the offer and suggested he feels sorry for Elon Musk.
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SAM ALTMAN, CO-FOUNDER, OPENAI: Probably his whole life is from a position of insecurity. I feel for the guy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You feel for him?
ALTMAN: I do, actually. I don't think he's, like, a happy person. I do feel for him.
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VAUSE: Fair point.
I'm John Vause, back at the top of the hour with more CNN NEWSROOM. Please stay with us. After a short break, WORLD SPORT. See you in about 20 minutes.
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