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Trump Blames Biden, NATO Ambitions for Ukraine Conflict; Trump Grouses about India's Tariffs While Hosting Joint Press Conference with Modi; Displays of Force Show Hamas Unbowed in Gaza; Ukrainians See Bleak Outcomes from Trump-Putin Phone Call; Macron Offers CNN a Tour of the Elysee Palace. Aired 12-12:45a ET
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LYNDA KINKADE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Hello. I'm Lyndra Kinkade, live in Atlanta.
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Ahead on CNN NEWSROOM.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Biden said it and Zelenskyy said it. And I think that was one of the reasons, one of the starts of the war.
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KINKADE: Donald Trump blames Joe Biden rather than Vladimir Putin for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
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TRUMP: And let's see what happens. Nobody really knows what is going to happen.
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KINKADE: The U.S. president doubles down on tariffs, despite the risks of higher prices and a global trade war.
And a show of force from Hamas has some inside Israel questioning their country's war strategy.
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AMI AYALON, FORMER DIRECTOR, SHIN BET: We refuse to understand it. We refuse to accept it. And we refuse to understand that we are fighting a different type of war.
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ANNOUNCER: Live from Atlanta, this is CNN NEWSROOM with Lynda Kinkade. KINKADE: We begin with Donald Trump refusing to acknowledge a basic
truth about the fighting in Ukraine: that Russia started the war when it invaded its neighbor.
The U.S. president, hosting India's prime minister at the White House, instead blamed his predecessor, Joe Biden, and Ukraine's ambition to join NATO.
It's not a new position for Mr. Trump, and it echoes Moscow's own justification for what it calls its special military operation.
The comments come after President Trump spoke with Russian leader Vladimir Putin on Wednesday, sparking concerns that Ukraine would be left out of negotiations to end the war. Here's the president's response.
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TRUMP: It's too early to say what's going to happen. Maybe Russia will give up a lot. Maybe they won't. And it's all dependent on what is going to happen.
The negotiation really hasn't started.
But I will say as far as NATO is concerned, from many years before President Putin, I will tell you that I've heard that Russia would never accept that. And I think Ukraine knew that, because Ukraine wasn't in and never requested to be in until more recently.
So, that's the way it is. And I think that's the way it's going to have to be.
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KINKADE: Well, more now from CNN's Jeff Zeleny, reporting from the White House.
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JEFF ZELENY, CNN CHIEF U.S. NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: President Donald Trump on Thursday night here at the White House, mounting an aggressive --
ZELENY (voice-over): -- defense of Russia, not saying what concessions Vladimir Putin would have to make to end the Ukraine War, and not even acknowledging that it was Putin who indeed started the war some three years ago.
ZELENY: Now, throughout the day, as this reset relations between the United States and Russia continues, following that phone call on Wednesday between the two leaders, it is clear that Russia is back at the table.
What is less clear: what role Ukraine will play in these peace negotiations?
There's no question --
ZELENY: -- the president also is increasingly blaming his predecessor, Joe Biden, instead of Russia for the Ukraine war. Take a listen.
TRUMP: Now Russia has taken over a pretty big chunk of territory. And they also have said from day one, long before President Putin, they've said they cannot have Ukraine be in NATO. They said that very strongly.
I actually think that that was the thing that caused the start of the war. And Biden said it, and Zelenskyy said it. And I think that was one of the reasons, one of the starts of the war.
ZELENY: And indeed, those comments are simply parroting many talking points from Moscow itself. So, Trump clearly giving much latitude, much leeway here to Vladimir Putin.
The questions are about --
ZELENY (voice-over): -- Vladimir Zelenskyy and Ukraine. What role will they have in the peace negotiations?
Now, on Thursday, President Trump was asked directly if he trusts Vladimir Putin. And he said he trusts they want to make peace.
There is no question here in these reset relations, even as -- as President Trump is saying Russia should be allowed back into the G-7.
ZELENY: Of course, the group of seven nations they were expelled from more than a decade ago. That will be certainly controversial and unlikely in the near term.
However, these reset relations making clear that President Trump, at least at this point, is siding with President Putin.
Jeff Zeleny, CNN, the White House.
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KINKADE: Mr. Trump is following through on his campaign trail threat to impose reciprocal eye-for-eye tariffs on all countries that send goods to the U.S. And the tariffs could take effect as early as April.
This move could ignite a global trade war, and it is likely to further increase inflation, as new costs will likely get passed to consumers.
The U.S. president said short-term price hikes were possible and warned Americans to be prepared for short-term pain.
The new tariffs could hit developing countries like India particularly hard. President Trump singled out India as its prime minister, Narendra Modi, visited the White House.
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TRUMP: India has been, to us, just about the highest-tariffed nation anywhere in the world. They've been very strong on tariffs, and I don't blame them necessarily, but it's a different way of doing business. It's -- it's very hard to sell into India, because they have trade barriers, very strong tariffs.
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KINKADE: Well, CNN's Will Ripley is tracking the Trump-Modi meeting live from Taipei.
Good to see you, Will.
So, this is Modi's fourth [SIC] -- Modi is the fourth foreign leader to visit Donald Trump since his inauguration last month. And Trump called him a great leader, but said India had the world's highest tariffs, and it was a difficult place to do business.
How is that meeting and the threat of more tariffs being viewed in Asia?
WILL RIPLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Well, you know, it's interesting, because President Trump actually called Prime Minister Modi the tariff king in the past.
And Prime Minister Modi went to Washington, potentially expecting that this was going to happen. And coming with a package of deliverables to bring to President Trump.
And so, you saw at that press conference these two men, who have now met a total of eight times since 2017, had a very good rapport, friendly rapport. They were flattering each other with compliments.
And Prime Minister Modi was going -- you know, going on a list of items that just ticked the boxes of making President Trump pretty happy. Make India great again, MIGA, plus MAGA equals MEGA. You know, the kind of branding language that President Trump -- certainly, you know, resonates with him and he's impressed by.
And then you have the nuts and bolts that Modi can actually walk away with, as well. A commitment to work jointly on the F-35 program; to -- to work together on things like artificial intelligence; and something the Biden administration would not do, Lynda, which is to provide India with oil and natural gas.
The Biden administration put environmental restrictions on the sale of oil and natural gas. But we know that President Trump doesn't think that way and is happy to drill, drill, drill and sell, sell, sell, potentially lowering oil prices globally, making the United States a very competitive supplier.
The U.S. wants to be India's No. 1 supplier of oil and natural gas.
And that's apparently, if we're reading into the details here. That's how Trump and Modi plan to make up the majority of this trade deficit. So, in the end, Modi can go back, and he can point to, you know, his
domestic political colleagues some items that he got on his wish list, because it really could have been a very sticky situation for him.
I'm not sure if he would -- if he would have known that President Trump was going to announce reciprocal tariffs just hours after Modi landed in Washington, had they not been able to have that press conference and have friendly -- a friendly deal to announce, the outcome of this visit could have been very different for the Indian prime minister -- Lynda.
KINKADE: Yes, exactly. Will Ripley, good to have you staying across it all for us. Thanks so much.
Sara Sadhwani is a political science professor at Pomona College. He joins us now from Los Angeles.
Good to have you with us.
SARA SADHWANI, POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR, POMONA COLLEGE: Thanks so much for having me.
KINKADE: So, a great friend. How Trump described India and its leader. That certainly didn't stop him from threatening tariffs, saying essentially, that he wants to even out the playing field.
How would you describe relations right now between India and the U.S.? And do you think these countries will avoid a trade war?
SADHWANI: Well, it's a great question, Lynda. And, you know, obviously, Trump has been really shaking up the world order in the last month since he's taken office. And Modi's visit is an important one today.
Modi, of course, represents an enormous nation. 1.5 billion people and an enormous market, as well, which is something clearly Trump, as well as Elon Musk are very well aware of Modi meeting with Elon Musk, as well.
This was an incredibly important visit. They have had very warm relations in the past. And certainly, Modi wanted to maintain those warm relationships.
But those trade negotiations are absolutely top of mind for President Trump. And of course, Modi has seen his aggressive stance towards Canada, towards Mexico, towards China, and didn't want to be the next one on the firing block.
KINKADE: Yes, as you say, the turf war is -- extends far beyond India. Trump is vowing to reciprocate tariffs on every nation. He spoke about Europe and China, as well. I just want to play some sound.
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TRUMP: The European Union is very difficult for us. Very, very difficult. They -- they tax our companies at levels that nobody has ever seen before. They take advantage of a lot of things. So, we're not happy about that.
China, of course, is terrible, and we've never taken in 10 cents until I was president.
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KINKADE: He says the U.S. Didn't take in 10 cents from China until he became president. How much truth is there in that statement? And what can those regions expect going forward?
SADHWANI: Well, Trump has been very clear that he's -- he wants to have this this tariff retaliatory policy worldwide. So, I mean, much to be seen in terms of to what extent he'll actually maintain that.
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For India's sake, it's the 10th largest trading partner with the United States, but it also is running a $45 billion surplus in India's favor. And we know that the way President Trump operates, he -- he wants to make sure he's getting the best deal here. And at this point, he doesn't necessarily feel that that's the case.
Clearly, however, these retaliatory tariffs will come at a price for the American people. We will very likely end up seeing prices rise here in the United States with these tariffs.
KINKADE: Sara, I just want to turn to Russia now. Regarding Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Trump says he trusts Vladimir Putin, a former KGB spy, on the subject. He sought to point the finger of blame for that invasion at the former U.S. president. I just want to roll some more sound.
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TRUMP: I believe that's the reason the war started, because Biden went out and said that they could join NATO, and he shouldn't have said that. As soon as he said that, I said, you know what? You're going to have a war now. And I was right about that.
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KINKADE: Why doesn't Donald Trump want to blame the invasion on Putin?
SADHWANI: This is unclear. This is a very, very clear separation from the long history that the United States has had as an adversary of -- of Russia.
Certainly, even when the war in Ukraine began, Democrats, Republicans all lined up behind and with support for Ukraine. And we can see President Trump really making an about face in this moment.
So, this is a real turn of events for the United States. We -- it sounds like, perhaps, there's some sort of warming of relations between the United States and Russia.
But this completely flies in the face of all of our diplomatic relations for the -- for -- for quite some time in the past.
And India plays an interesting role in all of this. India has long had a relationship with Russia. It's often been the ace in India's pocket when -- when trying to negotiate anything with the United States, as well: we can always go back to our relationship with Russia.
That might be changing, given this -- this new warming towards Russia from the United States.
KINKADE: Yes. And of course, Donald Trump says time and time again that this war in Ukraine and the war in Gaza would never have happened had he been in office. It's hard to play hypotheticals, but could he have prevented either of these?
SADHWANI: It's highly unlikely that the president could have -- could have prevented them. You know, there were a number of different world events that were taking place in the case of -- of Israel and Palestine. Of course, we saw October 7th happened, that that ultimately started much of this -- this conflict.
In the war in Ukraine, we saw Russia advancing towards Ukraine. It's unclear exactly what it would have been that Trump would have done, had he been president, in order to change the outcome of -- of these -- these conflicts abroad.
KINKADE: All right. We'll leave it there for now. Sara Sadhwani in Los Angeles, appreciate your staying across all of that for us. Thanks so much.
SADHWANI: Thanks for having me.
KINKADE: Well, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is now one of America's leading public health officials, despite his controversial views on vaccines and public health policy.
Kennedy was sworn in as secretary of Department of Health and Human Services Thursday. He's vowing not to get rid of any vaccines but says more research is needed.
Senator Mitch McConnell, a survivor of childhood polio, was the only Republican to vote against his confirmation.
Well, still ahead, Hamas unbowed. The group is clinging to power during a fragile ceasefire with Israel. Coming up, a look at the uncertain future of Gaza after the war.
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KINKADE: Welcome back.
The fragile ceasefire between Israel and Hamas appears to be back on track after Hamas said it will release Israeli hostages this weekend, as initially planned. Earlier this week, Hamas accused Israel of violating the truce and
postponed the release of more hostages. In response, Israel said it would resume fighting in Gaza.
Hamas talked with key mediators Egypt and Qatar and said this week's hostage release will proceed.
One Israeli official said it seems the dispute will be resolved and that Israeli leaders don't want to abandon the ceasefire at this time.
Well, Hamas has used the hostage releases as stage shows of force in Gaza. The group is tightly clinging to power, despite more than 15 months of war with Israel.
As CNN's Jeremy Diamond reports, Hamas's perseverance has become a bitter pill to swallow for an Israeli government aiming for total victory.
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JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Week after week, Hamas has turned the spotlight of hostage releases into a choreographed show of force.
Weapons brandished to the world, these militants delivering one clear message: We are undefeated.
For 15 months, Israel has unleashed the full weight of its military might in Gaza, deploying tens of thousands of ground troops while dropping millions of pounds of explosives from the air.
And yet, amid the rubble, Hamas still standing, flaunting machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.
"They said they defeated the resistance. Here is the resistance. The resistance doesn't die and is always in the field and present. Even if a far greater war comes towards us, we are ready," this man says. "All these young children are ready. Give this child a rifle, and he's ready to fight."
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At the funeral of one of Hamas's top military commanders, hundreds of militants parade through the streets, raising serious questions about Israel's strategy in this war.
DIAMOND: What does it say that, after 15 months of war, these are still the pictures that we're seeing?
AYALON: What it means is very, very simple. We refuse to understand it. We refuse to accept it. And we. Refuse to understand that we are fighting a different type of war.
DIAMOND (voice-over): Ami Ayalon is the former director of the Shin Bet, Israel's domestic security service.
DIAMOND: What you are saying is that these images of Hamas in Gaza should be a flashing red light --
AYALON: Yes. It is.
DIAMOND: -- for the Israeli government to change strategy?
AYALON: It is.
DIAMOND (voice-over): Absolute victory over Hamas has been central to the Israeli prime minister's strategy since day one.
BENJAMIN NETANYAHU, ISRAELI PRIME MINISTER: We will fight until we achieve victory, total victory. There is no substitute for it.
DIAMOND (voice-over): And he is showing no signs of changing course, still reluctant to discuss a day-after plan for Gaza or to allow a Palestinian alternative to Hamas to govern the strip.
AYALON: It's a wrong strategy. In order to win Hamas, you have to create a reality in which Palestinians will not support Hamas. And Palestinians will not support Hamas only when they will see a better future without Hamas.
DIAMOND (voice-over): While some hold up Hamas's show of force as proof of Israel's strategic failure, others calling on the prime minister to double down.
ITAMAR BEN GVIR, FORMER ISRAELI NATIONAL SECURITY MINISTER (through translator): It's time for a massive war. It's time to stop their fuel, stop their humanitarian aid, stop the aid trucks. It's time to destroy Hamas.
DIAMOND (voice-over): But there is mounting evidence that Israel's assault on Gaza, which has killed tens of thousands of civilians, is backfiring, driving more Palestinians to take up arms.
ANTONY BLINKEN, FORMER U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: We assess that Hamas has recruited almost as many new militants as it has lost. That is a recipe for an enduring insurgency and perpetual war.
DIAMOND (voice-over): Hamas has faced some anger in Gaza from a population drained by more than a year of war. The group, now looking to build up its popularity amid the ceasefire.
"We would like to salute the Palestinian people. Our resilient people persevered under the fire of the Zionist cowardly enemy," this militant says. "Thank God for everyone's safety."
At a checkpoint until recently manned by Israeli soldiers, Hamas militants now stand guard. Police officers from the Hamas-run government are now back on the streets, as Hamas officials seek to reestablish municipal services and show they can still govern Gaza.
Amid these shows of force, there is also a message to Palestinians in Gaza who would think to challenge Hamas, which has long silenced political dissent with brute force. To them, and the rest of the world, Hamas making clear it remains in power and will not surrender. Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Tel Aviv.
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KINKADE: Well, some Ukrainians are feeling betrayed after a phone conversation between the U.S. and Russian presidents.
Still ahead, why they believe Ukraine [SIC] has gone too far to make many concessions in a possible peace deal.
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KINKADE: You're watching CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Lynda Kinkade. Good to have you with us.
Well, government leaders from around the world are gathering in Munich, Germany, for an annual security conference that begins in the coming hours.
It's happening as U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth walks back part of his comment about Ukraine's NATO membership. He said Wednesday that it's unrealistic for Ukraine to expect to join the alliance after the war with Russia.
But on Thursday, Hegseth said NATO membership is not off the table and that the issue is ultimately up to the U.S. president to decide.
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PETE HEGSETH, U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: These negotiations are led by President Trump. Everything is on the table, on his conversations with Vladimir Putin and Zelenskyy. What he decides to allow or not allow is at the purview of the leader of the free world, of President Trump.
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KINKADE: Well, the European Union is pushing back against any peace deal being negotiated behind its and Ukraine's backs.
Mr. Trump had a phone call with Russian leader Vladimir Putin Wednesday and said that they agreed to start peace talks immediately. That led to fears an eventual deal would favor Moscow and leave the E.U. and Ukraine out.
The E.U.'s foreign policy chief didn't mince words reacting to that conversation.
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KAJA KALLAS, E.U. FOREIGN POLICY CHIEF: It is clear that any deal behind our backs will not work. Any quick fix is -- is a dirty deal.
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): It's important that everything does not go according to Putin's plan. We, as a sovereign country, simply will not be able to accept any agreements without us.
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KINKADE: Well, the Trump-Putin conversation was not well-received amongst Ukrainians. Matthew Chance reports.
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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As the Trump administration talks peace in Ukraine, Moscow is pressing hard on the front lines.
This the latest fighting in war-ravaged Donbas, where Russian forces have been advancing relentlessly. No wonder many Ukrainians feel skeptical of Trump's brash diplomatic push.
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YULIA KAZDOBINA, KYIV RESIDENT: There's a lot of noise, and Trump sends the signal that he wants to end the war. But I don't think Russia is interested in ending it. And so, unfortunately, no matter -- no matter how much we want peace, I don't think it's possible.
ZELENSKYY: Thank you very much.
CHANCE (voice-over): There's also alarm that Ukraine is being sidelined. President Zelenskyy was left meeting the U.S. treasury secretary in Kyiv this week, as President Trump spoke directly with Vladimir Putin, the Kremlin strongman.
Trump and Zelenskyy spoke afterwards. But for Ukrainians, Washington's priorities are worryingly clear.
NATALIA STECHEN, KYIV RESIDENT: I think Trump and Putin can have a good relationship, and it's bad for Ukraine, because we can't talk about war and about Ukrainian people and about our situation without our president or our people.
CHANCE (voice-over): At this makeshift memorial to fallen soldiers in Kyiv, poignant reminders of the sacrifice Ukrainian troops and American volunteers have already made.
But Trump's recent remarks that Ukraine may someday be Russian, and concessions on NATO membership and territory, have left many Ukrainians feeling bereft and betrayed. "Why did these guys die, and why did they even defend these
territories?" asks Oleksander (ph). "That's why I don't think it's acceptable," he says. "We should not give up our land."
But in this new era of Trump-Putin diplomacy, Ukrainian hopes and expectations no longer take center stage.
Matthew Chance, CNN, London.
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KINKADE: At least 28 people were injured in Germany when a car plowed into a group of demonstrators in Munich Thursday.
Bavaria's governor says the incident is suspected to be an attack. Police say they've detained the driver and that he's believed to be a 24-year-old asylum seeker from Afghanistan.
The car ramming happened as world leaders attended the Munich security conference. It also comes ahead of this month's German elections, where immigration and security are key issues.
We're going to take a short break. Much more news in just a moment.
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KINKADE: Take a look at this video. An astonishing moment captured on camera. A man kayaking in Chile was suddenly swallowed by a humpback whale.
He was dragged into the water for several seconds before the whale let him go.
The man telling CNN he thought he wouldn't make it. But then, he felt his life vest pulling him up.
It happened while he was kayaking with his father at a popular tourist destination on Saturday. And despite the terrifying moment, both returned to shore uninjured and said they would kayak again.
Well, every great city has a building that symbolizes its grandeur and history. In Paris, it's at the Elysee Palace, which represents the French state.
Emmanuel Macron calls it home, along with a few furry friends. Well, recently, the French president gave CNN's Richard Quest a tour.
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EMMANUEL MACRON, FRENCH PRESIDENT: Look at that.
RICHARD QUEST, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: What happens if the dogs go on this?
MACRON: No, they don't. They don't go. Normally. Please, respect the instructions. And normally you shouldn't. No, no.
QUEST: Oh, I can see who's the boss.
MACRON: And this one is a piece we -- as a tapestry made for --
QUEST: Do you get involved? Do you choose?
MACRON: Definitely. And in fact, we go with the Mobilier National (ph) and some of our museums in order to choose the pieces which will be put here.
QUEST: What do you use these rooms for? I mean --
MACRON: This is a salon for, I mean, some meetings or for -- for after dinner, after lunch and to have some special events.
And here was, in fact, the room of La Pompadour.
QUEST: Oh!
MACRON: Because originally, this palace was made by aristocrats in the 18th Century. And the king a few years later bought it for La Pompadour.
And -- and she had a room here. She was not so happy at the end of her life. And here it was, completely recreated by contemporary artists and designers.
QUEST: Do you enjoy the big events?
MACRON: I think I like the energy that this event can create. And the links it can establish and the situation it can unlock.
QUEST: Yes, that's the key to it.
What's it like when you walk in here the first time as president? You know, the first time you come in and you think -- what's it like?
MACRON: You mean on a daily basis or the very first time I entered?
QUEST: Let's say, the very first time you entered, and you suddenly realized it's all, you know -- it's all mine to screw up.
MACRON: I -- I can tell you that the very first days, in fact, you don't totally realize. And you're not totally lucid. After that, you know the place, and you discover, each time, new aspects.
And what I do prefer this is probably this -- the fact that you have something out of age.
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QUEST: Yes. MACRON: Even when you put these type of pieces, this is the fact that
it can -- more long, more solid than anything else.
QUEST: Yes.
MACRON: The importance of time.
I love this -- this one.
QUEST: If you could take one piece home with you when you're finished, you can take one. Go on. Imagine I can give you one piece in the whole place. Which one would it be? Would it be it?
MACRON: It's very difficult. I would take -- you know what? I would just take my pen and start again.
QUEST: Oh. Thank you very much.
MACRON: It's much better than anything else. The rest will stay. here.
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KINKADE: Well, that does it for this edition of CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Lynda Kinkade. I'll be back at the top of the hour with much more CNN NEWSROOM. But right now, it's WORLD SPORT in just a moment.
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