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Delta Plane Flips Upside Down While Landing In Toronto; U.S., Russia To Discuss Ukraine In Saudi Arabia With Zelenskyy Sidelined; Thousands Protest Against Trump And His Policies Across The U.S.; U.S. Judge Expected To Rule On Case That Could Rein In Musk; European Leaders Hold Emergency Talks Over Ukraine; Israel To Receive Remains Of Hostages On Thursday; Student Protesters Fear Trump Targeting Campus Dissent; Pope Francis In Stable Condition With "Complex" Infection; Mexico Could Sue Google Over Gulf Of Mexico Name Change. Aired 1-2a ET

Aired February 18, 2025 - 01:00   ET

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JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: A preemptive refusal from the Ukrainian president. I'm John Vause. Ahead here on CNN Newsroom.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): We cannot recognize anything or any agreements about us without us.

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VAUSE: Volodymyr Zelenskyy rejecting any outcome before talks even begin between White House and Kremlin officials on ending the war in Ukraine.

How did all on board Delta flight 4819 survive?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We hit the ground and were sideways and then were upside down hanging like that.

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VAUSE: First came the hard landing, then the plane flips upside down just as it bursts into flames. All 80 passengers and crew safely evacuated.

And also this.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's unclear how long the pope will stay in hospital.

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VAUSE: With his stay in hospital extended by doctors, Pope Francis also moves to protect his legacy as he battles a complex, potentially deadly respiratory infection.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Live from Atlanta. This is CNN Newsroom with John Vause.

VAUSE: In one hour, officials from the Trump White House and Putin's Kremlin will meet face to face in the Saudi capital. The first high level U.S.-Russian talks since the Russian conflict began in Ukraine almost three years ago. A possible end to Russia's status as an international priority over the invasion of Ukraine and how to end that conflict is at least one of the subjects under discussion.

Notably, Ukrainian officials have not been invited to attend. NATO officials also snubbed. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov says the talks in Saudi will aim to end what he calls an abnormal period between two great powers, while his U.S. counterpart, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, has framed the talks as one way of determining if Russia is serious about ending the conflict it began by choice by invading Ukraine in February of 2022.

The Ukrainian President has already rejected the outcome of these negotiations before they even begin, refusing to recognize, quote, any agreements about us without us. Instead, Volodymyr Zelenskyy will be meeting with the Turkish president in the hours ahead discussing a strategic partnership.

NATO seems to be blindsided after being left out of the Russia-U.S. talks. And on Monday, some members gathered for what was officially described as an informal meeting in Paris, what was in fact a hastily organized emergency summit focusing on increased defense spending and possible European boots on the ground in Ukraine.

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PEDRO SANCHEZ, SPANISH PRIME MINISTER (through translator): In order for peace to be fair and enduring, peace talks must have the active implication of Ukraine, which is the assaulted country, and from the political project which feels threatened, which is the European Union. If we want a fair and enduring peace and we don't want a false closure, we demand an active participation from the European Union and from Ukraine.

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VAUSE: Mixed messages from the Trump administration have raised questions and concerns about what might come from this round of Russia-U.S. talks. CNN's Alex Marquardt has the very latest now reporting in from Riyadh.

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ALEX MARQUARDT, CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: This is shaping up to be a remarkable meeting, if only because it'll be the first time in more than three years since this war in Ukraine began that there has been such a high meeting between the Russian and the American sides.

The intelligence services were talking, but until now, Russia has been in the cold, shunned by much of the West. There has been criticism towards the United States, towards President Trump for picking up the phone and calling President Putin and setting up this meeting. The Trump administration has responded that this is how you get to a peace deal. You can't just speak with your friends. You need to speak with your adversaries as well.

So what we're expecting to see on Tuesday here in Riyadh is the Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, alongside the national Security adviser, Mike Waltz and the Middle east envoy, Steve Witkoff, sitting across a table from the Russian Foreign minister, Sergey Lavrov, and a presidential aide, Yuri Ushakov, who was also, incidentally, the former Russian ambassador to the United States.

The Saudis will have a mediating role, but this is as much about who is at the table as who is not at the table. Very notably the Ukrainians not taking part in these discussions. We heard from President Zelenskyy on Monday frustratedly saying that he had not been told previously about these meetings and that no decisions can be made about Ukraine. He would not agree to any decisions made about Ukraine unless Ukraine is at the table.

Then there's the question of the Europeans and Trump's Ukraine envoy, Keith Kellogg, saying over the weekend that he did not believe that the Europeans should be at the table. It should just be the Russians and Ukrainians negotiating with U.S. help.

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We then heard Secretary Rubio softening that a little bit, saying there is a role for the Europeans. Take a listen.

MARCO RUBIO, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: If it's real negotiations and we're not there yet, but if that were to happen, Ukraine will have to be involved because they're the one that were invaded. And the Europeans will have to be involved because they have sanctions on Putin and Russia as well. And they've contributed to this effort. We're just not there yet.

MARQUARDT: In fact, the European Union has contributed more aid to the Ukrainians than the United States has. So how the U.S. is imagining this going is jump starting the talks with the Russians here on Tuesday. Then there's a separate track of conversations directly with the Ukrainians.

Their hope is to then eventually join the two sides and hammer out an agreement with the help of the Europeans. But that is still far from a foregone conclusion. Alex Marquardt, CNN, Riyadh.

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VAUSE: Joining us now live from the Ukrainian port city of Odesa is global affairs analyst Michael Bociurkiw. Michael is the former spokesperson of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, among many other titles and jobs which you have had over the years. Michael, thank you for being with us.

MICHAEL BOCIURKIW, FORMER SPOKESPERSON, THE ORGANIZATION FOR SECURITY AND COOPERATION IN EUROPE: Good to be with you again.

VAUSE: OK, so here's how Russia is describing these talks with White House officials. The two leaders agreed on the need to leave behind an absolutely abnormal period in the relations between two great powers when they essentially did not communicate except on certain technical and humanitarian issues.

The Foreign Ministry minister, Sergey Lavrov, has also said that because this is essentially talks between the U.S. and Russia, there really is no role or no place at the table for Europe. And while there will actually be a discussion on a kind of a peace deal between Ukraine and Russia, the actual terms of a peace deal are not on the table. The Americans and the Russians are negotiating, at least in part, the parameters around an agreement.

What it will look like to end the war in Ukraine and not being in the room for the Ukrainians, that's a bit like a spouse not being invited to couples therapy before a divorce. So what are the serious consequences here for Ukraine being excluded from this round of talks?

BOCIURKIW: Well, you put it very well. Some other people here in Ukraine would have described how they're being treated by the Trump administration as akin to being treated by a slum landlord. And some might say Mr. Trump has a bit of experience in that area.

But, yes, they feel they've been totally sidelined. And, you know, it's not quite clear what the Trump administration is going to negotiate away on Ukraine's behalf. I can also tell you what's becoming a little bit more public are the terms that the Trump administration extortionate, terms the Trump administration put forward to the Ukrainian side for rare earth resources here in Ukraine.

It's really unbelievable, amounting to potentially half a trillion dollars and in perpetuity. One quote from here is saying that basically the Trump administration is telling Ukraine, pay us first, then feed your children later.

So if we use that prism to look at what's happening, it ain't looking good. And one other big thing here, of course, is what's going to happen to that big land bridge that the Russians have connecting the mainland of Russia to Crimea. Will that ever come back to Ukraine? Probably not.

VAUSE: Well, everything surrounding the snub for Ukraine, it now comes down to this response on Monday from the Ukrainian president, which seemed both understandable and reasonable. Here's Volodymyr Zelenskyy replying, responding rather to not being included in these talks about to get underway in the Saudi capital. Here he is.

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ZELENSKYY (through translator): Ukraine will not participate. Ukraine knew nothing about them. Ukraine perceives any negotiations about Ukraine without Ukraine as those with no results. We cannot recognize anything or any agreements about us without us.

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VAUSE: Most may agree with Zelenskyy or at least be sympathetic or supportive of his outright rejection to whatever is the outcome of the Saudi meeting. But what are his choices? What can he realistically refuse to accept? You know, whatever the Americans and Russians may decide later or later today, is he in a position to say no?

BOCIURKIW: Unfortunately, no. And I think what you that clip you heard there was mostly for a domestic audience. But at the end of the day, Mr. Zelenskyy has very little leverage. And I'll tell you why is because a couple of things the Americans have right now is they're sharing really, really crucial intel information on a daily basis with the Ukrainians, including targeting data for Ukrainians to strike inside of Russia.

The second thing they have, and that's of concern to me, my neighbors and everyone else in Ukraine, is that if the U.S., the Trump administration, wants to play tough, they could all of a sudden like this, disable the Patriot defense missile system.

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We are getting drones and Russian missiles every day, especially the drones. And without that defense shield, Ukraine is going to be made very vulnerable. There'll be more death and destruction. So that's why I'm saying, and I'm putting out that warning to everyone, including European leaders, is that the United States under Trump could play very tough and it could turn very ugly.

VAUSE: NATO members also are locked out of these discussions. That raises concerns about their relevance, given President Trump's constant criticism of the alliance as well as questions about U.S. Commitment to NATO. And on that, here's the British Prime Minister, Keir Starmer. Here's what he said.

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KEIR STARMER, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: On defense, it's clear the U.S. is not going to leave NATO, but we Europeans will have to do more. The issue of burden sharing is not new, but it is now pressing.

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VAUSE: Bloomberg reports that over the weekend, the new chair of NATO's military committee, this is the Italian Admiral Cavo Dragone, he said the U.S. will not pull out of NATO. OK, so he agrees with that. But he did add a withdrawal of some of the 100,000 U.S. troops stationed in Europe could be on the agenda. He warned Europe to expect that because of some commitments that the United States has far away from here in the Pacific.

The point here seems to be that the U.S. doesn't have to withdraw from Naito to effectively end the effectiveness of the defense alliance. Right now they can do that by downgrading logistics and leadership. And if that happens, and do you think that's likely to happen, and are the Europeans capable of filling that void at this moment in time right now?

BOCIURKIW: Well, yes and no. Yes, the Americans are capable of doing that, and no, the Europeans cannot fill it. To give you an example, I mean, the British prime minister is, you know, talking tough and commitment to Ukraine. But the reality of it is, like in many countries here in Europe, is they just don't have the capacity, the resources to all of a sudden start spending tens of billions of pounds or euros on defense.

If what Mr. Starmer is talking about comes into reality, it will take about 30,000 British soldiers to have 10,000 soldiers in Ukraine on an enduring basis. The other thing the Europeans forgot to do in their talks about what to do next under Mr. Macron is to invite frontline states. Even, for example, the Ukrainian prime minister wasn't invited.

So, how can they possibly talk about a security infrastructure affecting this part of the world if key people aren't at the table? But once again, I'll go back to what I said at the start is that the resources just aren't there. European leaders and the U.K. have been sleepwalking their way through this crisis, relying on U.S. largest. They were told a long time ago in Trump 1.0, get ready to carry the burden of European security on your own shoulders. And they didn't. And that's where we are today.

VAUSE: Which sort of gets us back to Donald Trump 2.0 in the second term. Trump 47, if you like, who seems much less focused on, you know, the level of defense spending as a percentage of GDP of NATO members and a much more sort of focus, or a bigger focus, if you like, on dividing up the world according to influences of power.

This seems to be a deal which Trump wants to make with Putin, which affects Ukraine greatly and Europe and Naito don't seem to be a calculation here. They don't seem to be a factor in any of the negotiations. And yet this is something which I think was pretty much telegraphed before Donald Trump won the election in November.

BOCIURKIW: Yes, Well, a couple of things there is, number one, Mr. Trump is obsessed with having a foreign affairs when he hasn't had one in North Korea, Afghanistan, things are not going well in the Middle East. He's really upset key allies like Jordan and Egypt.

And, you know, secondly, and I hope I get this right, if I can just quote one of the ultra-supportive Kremlin newspapers is basically they portrayed an imaginary phone call between Mr. Trump and Mr. Putin, according to one of our reporter colleagues.

And basically Mr. Trump says to Mr. Putin, I have a cold country, you have a cold country, let's divide up the world. And Mr. Putin, according to this newspaper report, says, well, that's what I've been telling you all along. Let's do it.

So I really do think it goes back to what I said a couple of weeks ago. We appear to be on the verge of a kind of hemispheric division of the world where Mr. Trump is going to concentrate on the Western Hemisphere. He's going to let Mr. Putin do pretty much whatever he wants in this part of the world. Xi Jinping will have the Indo Pacific. It's a scary scenario for all of us, I think.

VAUSE: Yes. And then to this post-world order, which was established in the wake of World War II by the United States, which has kept the world from a global conflict for 80, 90 years.

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Michael, these are times are changing and I guess we'll find out how and what the implications will be in no time at all, I guess. Michael, thanks for being with us. Really, really appreciate your time.

BOCIURKIW" Thank you.

VAUSE: Now to the fourth major aviation incident in North America in less than a month. The terrifying plane crash at Toronto's busy international airport, which according to passengers and crew, as well as airport authorities and aviation experts, could have been so much worse.

All 80 passengers and crew on the small commuter jet survived after a hard landing in windy and snowy conditions which flipped the plane upside down, shearing off at least one wing. All on board were safely evacuated as part of the plane burst into flames.

At least 18 people were taken to hospital, but authorities say no one was critically hurt. No injuries appear to be life threatening. Still, some on board describe mass chaos and confusion at the moment of impact. That was strapped into their seats but hanging upside down. Here's the moment inside the plane when cabin crew ordered evacuations. These images recorded by one passenger on his cell phone.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Leave Everything. Drop it. Come on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Holy fuck.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It happens so quickly, right? You hit, there's this like giant like pop crack. You know, it's this like super loud bang kind of thing happens. And then everything just goes literally sideways. And it happens so fast that I just remember like kind of pulling myself in and trying not to hit my head against anything. And luckily our flight attendants and everything were helpful for us.

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VAUSE: More now from CNN's aviation correspondent Pete Muntean.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) PETE MUNTEAN, CNN AVIATION CORRESPONDENT: This crash so easily could have been much worse. Remember, it wasn't even three weeks ago that were talking about the crash over the Potomac River in Washington, D.C. where all 67 people were killed. Now all 80 people have escaped with their lives from Delta air Lines Flight 4819 on its way from Minneapolis to Toronto Pearson International Airport landed around 13:00 p.m. Eastern Time on Monday when apparently the plane on landing crashed cartwheel onto its back.

Passengers in a dark and on fire passenger cabin had to evacuate through one of the doors on the right side. Also, one of the emergency over wing exits now turned into an underwing exit if the right wing was still there. Investigators very much have their work cut out for them. They always look at the airplane, the environment and the pilots. The airplane not all that abnormal.

A CRJ 900 completely full configured with 76 seats and four crew on board. But the weather and the environment may be the most abnormal part of this incident. The wind at the time of the crash was howling, gusting from 27 to 35 knots, about 40 mph at a right crosswind as this plane came in to land on Toronto Pearson's Runway 23.

The other big question for investigators was the Runway surface contaminated. Meaning was it slick with ice or was it dry? Investigators really have their work cut out for them now and Transport Canada's Transportation Safety Board will look at this, along with the Federal Aviation Administration in the United States and the National Transportation Safety Board. Since this flight did originate from Minneapolis in the US.

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PETER GOELZ, CNN AVIATION ANALYST: I think this investigation is going to go quickly. The Transport Safety Board of Canada is skilled. They'll turn out a preliminary report in 30 days that I think will go a long ways towards pointing to what happened.

VAUSE: If you had to make an early assessment at this point as to the reason for the plane and the accident, how it ended upside down, what would that be at this point?

GOELZ: Well, it would be that, you know, on a best case basis that a gust of wind, 40 or 50 knots hit the plane just as it was touching down, caused it to tip and catch its wing on the ground. The wing tore off, which is why you had the fire, because the plane's fuel cells are located in the wings primarily, and the wings came off. And the plane is designed, if it's flipping, to end up on its back. The tail breaks off and you had, you know, a quick evacuation.

But probably the most important thing to remember is that the airplane was designed to take a hit like this. You know, the seats are designed to withstand up to 16 Gs of gravity in terms of, you know, a crash and not be movable.

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Prior to these rules, passengers would survive the hard landing, the crash, and their seats would break loose from their moorings and people would be killed. Now, you have an accident like this and all 80 people walk away from it.

VAUSE: Here's part of a conversation between an emergency medical helicopter on scene and air traffic control. This is moments after the crash landing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where is the crash?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's on Runway 23, right at the threshold, right at this intersection there. 2-3 and 15 left. LifeFlight 1, Medevac, just so you are aware there are people outside walking around the aircraft there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we've got it. The aircraft starts upside down and burning.

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VAUSE: And then there is a view from a distance from another plane as it was landing. What you can see is suddenly there are thick black plumes of smoke which can be seen rising from the crash site. That's when the Delta flight essentially burst into flames.

And the fire seems to have happened within moments of the passengers and crew being evacuating. In fact, so quickly they were left walking on the tarmac, it sounds like, around the crashed plane. So what does that say about how quickly the plane was actually evacuated? And is that simply a. Of the cabin crew doing what they were trained to do?

GOELZ: Well, I think there's two things. One is they say the wings tore loose and were slightly behind the aircraft. So, and that's where the fire really spread from. The flight crew, the two stewardesses, flight attendants and the flight crew in the cockpit, they're responsible for getting the passengers out. And they apparently did a fantastic job.

I mean, you had all 80. Well, there'd be 76 passengers exiting the plane within a short period of time, none of them getting seriously injured so far that we know. And it was really quite extraordinary. And this is what flight attendants train for. This is what people think, that they're just simply there to provide service. But the bulk of their training is in emergency service response. And this is the test. And they passed it with flying colors.

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VAUSE: Thanks to Peter Goelz, former NTSB National Transportation Safety Board managing director, and also CNN aviation analysts. We'll take a short break. When we come back From Hawaii to Washington and places in between, Americans are protesting the flurry of executive orders issued by the Trump White House. And now they're demanding representatives in Congress stand up and protect democracy.

That's ahead.

Also under fire is Elon Musk and his DOGE team, which has been swinging the axe, eliminating entire government agencies and gutting the federal government. Now it's up to a U.S. judge to decide if it's time to rein them in.

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VAUSE: Monday was President's Day in the United States. A public holiday for many workers. And thousands decided to use their time away from their jobs to protest against mass firings of federal employees by the Trump administration, accusing President Trump of acting like a tyrant or the king rather than an elected leader of a Democratic nation.

Demonstrators gathered in cities across the United States as part of 5051, a loosely organized, grassroots, nonviolent movement. And they say Donald Trump and his allies, notably billionaire Elon Musk, pose a grave threat to the United States. And they're now calling on lawmakers to step up and counter what they describe as Trump's destructive agenda.

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VYONNE BIACICH, PROTSTER: We've had problems, of course, but were lulled into the idea that somehow the Constitution was going to save us and that a takeover like this was not possible. And here we are.

JACQUI OLKIN, PROTESTER: I think I've always believed that people in Congress, well, they take an oath to the Constitution. And so I've always believed that they would, in the end, stand up for the Constitution and the separation of powers and the rule of law. And I haven't seen anything from the Republicans in Congress that suggests that they are willing to challenge Donald Trump and Elon Musk, who wasn't even rightly elected.

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VAUSE: In the next 24 hours, a ruling is expected on Elon Musk's role in the Trump administration, challenging his role as he's been tasked by the U.S. President. A number of states have sued to keep Musk and his DOGE team from accessing critical government systems.

But the judge is asking for more proof that Musk's firing of federal employees and access to confidential data would, in fact, cause real harm. CNN's Evan Perez has details.

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EVAN PEREZ, CNN SENIOR U.S. JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: It was a rare court hearing on President's Day, and Judge Tanya Chutkan appeared on, at least at this point, uninclined to grant temporary restraining order against Elon Musk's Department of Government Efficiency and accessing the data of government workers.

One of the things the judge said from her -- from the bench today is that she believed the states that have sued the government don't have enough proof beyond media reports of actual harm coming to those states.

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I'll read you just a part of what she said from the bench today. She said the court can't act based on media reports. We can't do that. We can certainly take judicial notice of them, but they can't form the basis, I don't think, of me finding that a temporary restraining order is warranted because of imminent harm."

Now, a group of states were pushing for the judge to block Elon Musk's DOGE, or Department of Government Efficiency, from accessing data at the Office of Personnel Management and some of the other government departments across Washington.

The judge promised to make a ruling, an official ruling within 24 hours, but for now, she is not -- she does not seem inclined to grant that request.

Evan Perez, CNN -- Washington.

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VAUSE: Well, the plane turned upside down. Passengers were hanging like bats strapped into their seats. The very latest on the crash in windy and snowy conditions at Toronto's airport in just a moment.

Also ahead, Europe left out in the cold with U.S. and Russian officials set to meet in the Saudi capital for high-level talks, including how to end the conflict in Ukraine.

Just ahead, we'll hear from one of the Russian officials who will be at those discussions.

You're watching CNN.

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VAUSE: Welcome back. I'm John Vause. You're watching CNN NEWSROOM.

Officials at Toronto International Airport say at least 18 people were injured when a plane flipped upside down after a hard landing in windy and snowy conditions. One of the plane's wings was shorn off and part of the aircraft caught fire. Incredibly though, all on board -- 76 passengers and four crew survived.

Another passenger tells CNN the plane hit super hard and went sideways. Then they saw a huge fireball as part of the fuselage erupted into flames. More details now on what may have caused the small commuter plane to

flip belly up, as well as what investigators will focus on to determine the cause of the crash from CNN's Tom Foreman.

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TOM FOREMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Among the reasons that investigators have to look at the wind and have to look at the cold is simply the intensity of it all. 40-mile-an-hour gusts, 18 degrees out there, reports of snow and ice all around the area. Look at the wind blowing across as they try to land this way.

Let's put this more into a perspective that we can see. If the plane were coming in this direction and trying to land on the runway like this, but wind gusts are pushing it like this. What does the pilot have to do? The pilot has to accommodate that in some fashion.

It is a challenging but normal move for them to try to do. So, they're either going to nose the plane a little bit toward the wind, and use the other controls to keep it moving this direction, even though its pointed this way a little bit, which would dissipate some of the effect of that wind.

Or they drop this wing down and use the controls to again fight against that wind so it doesn't want to push it way off course.

And then when they do touch down, they have to very quickly adapt a different attitude toward it so that the wheels are going the right way and the plane is holding on to the runway and not now being pushed off where it might touch a wingtip or it might dip off the edge of the hard top there, either one of which could result in a plane being flipped over exactly like that.

Was it the wind? Was it the cold? Investigators don't know, but that's the reason they have to consider it so carefully in this case.

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VAUSE: It was described as an informal gathering of European leaders in Paris Monday. In reality, it was an emergency summit in response to U.S. and Russian officials meeting in Riyadh next hour.

The Kremlin calls the talks very positive, but like NATO, Ukraine will not be at this meeting and will not be part of the discussions.

CNN's Matthew Chance met with one of the negotiators from Russia.

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MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Mr. Dmitriev, good to see you. Thank you very much. Thank you for speaking to us, just briefly.

Let me ask you, first of all, as these historic talks prepare to get underway, what are you expecting from them? What are you coming here to get? KIRILL DMITRIEV, CEO, RUSSIAN DIRECT INVESTMENT FUND: Well, I think

it's very important to build the bridges. I think U.S.-Russia relations are very important for the world. I think it's very important that U.S.-Russia cooperate together and jointly we can solve our problems.

And, you know, we've been always advocating better U.S. -Russia relations and dialog is also very important.

CHANCE: Right. But when you say better relations and better cooperation, isn't what you really want the lifting of sanctions on Russia? There's lots of them.

DMITRIEV: No, not at all. I think what's very important

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DMITRIEV: No, I think what we want is good dialog. Actually, it's U.S. businesses who lost $300 billion from leaving Russia.

So I think it's very important that by not working together, U.S. economies having (INAUDIBLE) $300 billion have been lost by U.S. businesses.

CHANCE: Now, you've had a long-standing relationship with members of the Trump team in the first administration, and this one as well. And have you been meeting already with Trump delegation members here in Riyadh?

DMITRIEV: Well yes, we had some meetings with Trump team members, and all I can say is that they are great problem solvers. And I think President Trump is a great problem solver and also his team is a team of great problem solvers.

CHANCE: What has that team promised you here? Have you -- have they given you an indication about what they're going to give you?

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DMITRIEV: No. I think the promise is let's have dialog. Let's figure out the best solution for our countries, for other countries, for the global community. Thank you so much.

CHANCE: Kirill, thank you very much.

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VAUSE: For foreign students studying in the U.S., Concerns and fears are rising. In a moment that comes after a threat by Donald Trump to deport foreign students involved in pro-Palestinian campus protests last year. More on that in a moment.

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VAUSE: Israel is preparing to receive the remains of an unknown number of hostages from Gaza later this week, according to one source. [01:44:47]

VAUSE: While the Israeli military has recovered a number of bodies over the course of the 15-month long war, this will be the first handover of hostages who have died while being held captive by Hamas since phase one of the Gaza ceasefire began a month ago. The identities of the hostages have not been made public.

And the release of three more living hostages is set for this Saturday as per the schedule agreed to as part of the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas.

Meantime, the deadline has passed for Israel and Hezbollah to withdraw their forces from southern Lebanon per that ceasefire agreement. Israel's plans to keep limited troops at five points, which they're calling strategic points, has actually sparked a stern reaction from the militant group.

Hezbollah leader has rejected the plan, noting it would be in direct violation of the ceasefire agreement. One exception has already been granted and Lebanese parliament speaker is refusing to consider another, noting it's up to the U.S. to enforce Israel's withdrawal from the region.

And Israeli residents aren't letting the government forget the hostages who have not returned home, who are still being held. Crowds filled the streets Monday in Jerusalem outside Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's official residence and also in Tel Aviv, demanding the release of those still held captive by Hamas in Gaza.

Families of hostages are concerned that a breakdown of a fragile ceasefire agreement could further delay the return of their loved ones. And they're vowing to continue protesting until all hostages have been released and are back home.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's been already 500 days that hostages are being held in Gaza. We come here every -- every week in order to support the families, in order to show that we are with them, and they have someone to count on to keep pushing and pressing until we have all hostages back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My best wish is that the second stage of the agreement will happen and will happen soon and will not be spread on many weeks and even months, because the Israelis are starving and dying and dying. And we know that they are dying. And I hope that it will happen and it will happen soon.

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VAUSE: Fears are growing among some students from overseas who are currently studying in the United States. That's after a threat from President Trump to deport foreign students who took part in last year's widespread pro-Palestinian demonstrations.

CNN's Elle Reeve sat down with some of those students who are being targeted. Here's what they had to say.

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ELLE REEVE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Ok, so I'm just going to jump right into it with this. "To all the resident aliens who joined in the pro jihadist protests, we put you on notice. Come 2025, we will find you and we will deport you. I will also quickly cancel the student visas of all Hamas sympathizers on college campuses, which have been infested with radicalism like never before."

Do you think he's talking about you?

BIANCA WAKED, PHD CANDIDATE, CORNELL UNIVERSITY: I think he is absolutely and misguidedly talking about me and others. Yes.

REEVE: President Trump said that in a statement about his executive order to combat anti-Semitism.

And do you dispute the characterization that these protests were pro jihadists?

WAKED: Absolutely. I mean, I think that the problem with the protests is that everybody wants to talk about the protest, but nobody wants to actually ask the protesters what the protests were about.

REEVE: Waked is a grad student at Cornell and a Canadian. She's among several international students who participated in pro-Palestinian protests on campus.

They say opposition to the war in Gaza has been wrongfully portrayed as anti-Semitism. So they fear that the fact that they protested at all is a reason for Trump to target them.

AMANDIA THOMAS-JOHNSON, PHD CANDIDATE, CORNELL UNIVERSITY: I got a text message. I got pictures of black-clad ICE agents in Ithaca, right. And I got really scared.

So I'm there in the class. I had to call someone basically and say to them, can you pick me up? Pull up right outside the exit of the building and I'm going to run inside the car.

Reeve: There was an ICE raid in Ithaca and one person was arrested, a 27-year-old Mexican man who pled guilty to third degree assault charges in New York.

MOMODOU TAAL, PHD STUDENT, CORNELL UNIVERSITY: Of course, there's like a fear for many international students right now, but that's the intended effect. With the levels of repression that the university meted out on their students, it was done in such a way to lull and bring down the protest. And I think what Trump is trying to do now is a continuation of that kind of policy.

REEVE: Tofas (ph) faced the threat of deportation under the Biden administration. Last October, Cornell students protested a campus career fair where two defense contractors were recruiting. Taal and the two other students we spoke to were part of that protest. Students pushed through police to enter the fair and banged pots and

pans. Cornell has punished several participants.

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TAAL: I received an e-mail promptly saying that I have been suspended, and then I was told, effectively, that I have to leave the country by the end of the week.

REEVE: After a public backlash, Cornell said Taal would be allowed to finish his degree and therefore stay in the U.S. But he was still banned from campus and from teaching his courses.

Waked and Thomas Johnson-signed agreements with Cornell and got written reprimands and deferred suspension.

When asked if the school was shutting down debate, a spokesperson referred to a previous statement by Cornell's president saying students were punished because they forced their way past police, so they were not peaceful.

We're you officially accused of anti-Semitism or hate speech?

THOMAS-JOHNSON: Absolutely not. No. I know, of course, that Donald Trump's executive order talks about anti-Semitism and hate speech. And I think this is being a tactic by governments, by universities as well, to try and shut down legitimate debate about what is going on in Palestine.

REEVE: What would you say to moderate liberals who are like, yes, I think Israel went too far. The war went on too long. But you campus protesters, you did it the wrong way. You were too violent. You were too hateful. You went too far.

TAAL: In this country, we've seen people who (INAUDIBLE) being shot. We've seen a child being killed in Chicago by his neighbor. So if one talked about political violence, where should we point the hands? Are we pointing the hands at people who say chants and slogans and maybe are a bit too loud in places?

REEVE: Is it on you as an activist to try to win over more moderate people? So you have a critical mass to demand the government to do what you want?

TAAL: Absolutely. But I think if the images of patients attached to IV's burning alive doesn't move people, then I worry.

WAKED: I wouldn't say the protests were successful. People are still dead. Homes have been ravaged. But I will say, now I am watching students that would have otherwise never encountered this conversation before to think and talk about it.

REEVE: So what role do the universities have in potentially cooperating with Trump on this order?

MARY ANNE FRANKS, PROFESSOR, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY LAW SCHOOL: If we're talking about a principled university that's actually worth its name, they should be refusing to even so much as indulge the suggestions of the executive order.

What Trump is trying to say is universities -- all universities essentially need to help us. They need to report on these activities. And there's absolutely no reason for the universities to do that.

REEVE: When asked about the executive order, Cornell said it continues to evaluate how the order will affect its community. As more concrete information becomes available, it will provide guidance.

Will the executive order affect your activism going forward?

WAKED: Well, I might not be as quick to pick up a megaphone. I'll put it that way. But I'm still going to be writing. I'm still going to be teaching. I'm still going to be thinking through and encouraging folks to like, have these conversations. And so yes. But I guess it will affect it at least a little bit.

REEVE: Elle Reeve, CNN -- Ithaca, New York.

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VAUSE: Still to come here on CNN, battling a complex respiratory infection, Pope Francis now expected to stay a while longer in hospital. In a moment, an update on his condition.

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VAUSE: The Vatican has described Pope Francis' condition as stable after doctors extended his stay in hospital to adjust the Holy Father's treatment for a complex respiratory infection.

Here's CNN's Christopher Lamb with the very latest reporting from Rome.

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CHRISTOPHER LAMB, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: The Vatican providing an update on Pope Francis' health condition at the end of his fourth day here at the Rome's Gemelli Hospital behind me.

The Vatican saying in a statement that the Pope is in a stable condition, that he continues to be without a fever and is continuing the prescribed therapy.

They also said that he has dedicated his time to some work activities and reading texts. Now, the doctors had told the Pope to have a complete rest. But as we know, Francis is pretty relentless when it comes to doing his job.

But the Pope is battling with a serious respiratory tract infection that is taking a number of different treatments to deal with. The treatment the Pope has had has changed twice. Now, it's unclear how long the Pope will stay in hospital. The Vatican not given a timetable. It all depends on how he responds to the prescribed therapy.

The 88-year-old Pope has been suffering from respiratory problems for a number of days. He's been struggling to speak and he was hospitalized on Friday.

I actually saw him on the day he was hospitalized, and it was clear he was really finding it very difficult to talk because of the breathing difficulties.

We're going to have further updates from the Vatican today, and of course, we'll be updating as soon as we hear more information.

Christopher Lamb, CNN -- Rome.

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VAUSE: Google's new name for the gulf of water which is off the southeast American coast and northern coast of Mexico now the focus of legal complaints, at least potential legal complaints, from Mexico.

Last week, Google changed their maps to comply with an executive order from President Trump to change the name of Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America.

Internet users in Mexico saw the name stay the same Gulf of Mexico, the name it's had for hundreds of years. But across the border and Internet users in the U.S., that same body of water on Google maps is called Gulf of America. For the rest of the world, both names are used.

But Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum is not pleased by Google's efforts to keep all sides happy, saying Google's new description for the U.S.-based users is in fact wrong arguing that Trump's demand to rename the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America is not legally applicable to the entire body of water.

The name change, she says, should only apply to 22 nautical miles off the U.S. coast. That's the continental shelf, which is considered U.S. territorial waters.

Mexico is now awaiting a response from Google before moving forward with any potential lawsuit to have the name changed again to something else to Gulf of Mexico-America. Who knows?

Thanks for watching. I'm John Vause.

CNN NEWSROOM continues with my friend and colleague Rosemary Church after a short break. See you back here tomorrow.

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