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Israel: Body Handed Over by Hamas is Not Shiri Bibas; Zelenskyy Meets Trump's Ukraine Envoy in Kyiv; White House Turns up Diplomatic Pressure on Ukraine; Analysis: Trump's Biggest Lies Since Returning to Office. Aired 12-12:45a ET
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PETE DOMINICK, COMEDIAN: Back in the 1980 Miracle on Ice, Russia was the bad guy. Russia. The USSR was always the bad guy, the big, bad guy on the block. And more of the world was rooting for democracy, rooting for America.
And I think that's been the story, in general. You can go back to, you know, all the Olympians that stood up against you know, Hitler and white supremacy. And Jesse Owens and so on.
But I think that we have been the good guy a lot. But I think, as Adrian just said, we look like the bad guy now. Like we're -- we're the Russian now. And I was making that joke earlier, but that's how they see us.
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JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Agony and outrage heaped onto national heartbreak in Israel.
I'm John Vause. Ahead on CNN NEWSROOM.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our hearts were always, always focused on the little toddlers of the Bibas family and their mother.
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VAUSE: Despite promises from Hamas, the body of Shiri Bibas, mother of the two youngest hostages in Gaza, was not among the four returned to Israel.
Another great day at the White House for Vladimir Putin.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let's tone down the rhetoric and sign the economic opportunity. Sign the deal.
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VAUSE: No let up in the false attacks on Ukraine's president, while officials continue to whitewash history to benefit Russia.
And the world's richest man-child at CPAC.
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ELON MUSK, ADVISOR TO PRESIDENT TRUMP: This is the chainsaw for bureaucracy.
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VAUSE: Elon Musk goes full chainsaw massacre at an annual gathering of ultra-conservatives in Washington.
ANNOUNCER: Live from Atlanta, this is CNN NEWSROOM with John Vause.
VAUSE: For many in Israel, the tragic homecoming of the -- of the bodies of three members of the Bibas family was hard enough. Now comes word that Hamas wrongfully identified one of the bodies.
Officials in Israel say identification checks have confirmed the remains of Shiri Bibas, mother of the two youngest hostages, have not been returned, and the body which was released to Israel does not match any known hostage.
There is confirmation of the three other bodies. Four-year-old Ariel Bibas and nine-month-old Kfir Bibas, as well as 83-year-old Oded Lifshitz.
While Hamas has repeatedly claimed they were killed in Israeli military strikes, Israeli officials say they have found evidence all three were murdered.
The Bibas boys, with their bright red hair, became some of the most recognizable hostages from the October 7th terror attack. The Israeli military demanding Hamas return the body of Shiri Bibas and all other hostages.
And Israel's ambassador to the United Nations accusing Hamas of an evil and cruelty with no parallel. And Israel say -- says the plans have not changed for the release of six living male hostages scheduled for Saturday.
More now from CNN's Nic Robertson, reporting in from Jerusalem.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: In a convoy freighted with the pain of a nation, the bodies, Hamas says, of the youngest October 7th hostage victims on their final journey home.
And in the fourth Red Cross vehicle, what Hamas says are the remains of one of the oldest October 7th victims, Oded Lifshitz.
The early morning handover, beginning against a backdrop of Hamas propaganda, turning dignified with a short service as the four caskets handed over to the IDF.
A moment of closure beginning for the families and a nation hostage to the fate of the Bibas.
Shiri Bibas's fear, clutching 9-month-old Kfir and 4-year-old Ariel etched in Israel's collective memory. The young family from Nir Oz became icons for hope over despair. Israelis riding an emotional rollercoaster over their fate.
Worryingly, Shiri, Kfir and Ariel not released with 105 other hostages freed during the first pause in fighting, November 2023.
Shiri's husband, Yarden's, fate was also unknown. He, too, disappeared October 7th, believed taken to Gaza.
The first news of Shiri, Kfir, and Ariel coming late 2023, when Hamas claimed they were killed in an Israeli air strike, releasing a propaganda video, exploiting emotional sensitivities, of Yarden, blaming the Israeli government for their deaths. The IDF called it psychological terror.
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Months later, this security camera video captured by the IDF, appearing to show Shiri soon after her abduction. But until this day, the IDF unable to confirm the fate of the family, cautioning against Hamas statements.
When Yarden was finally freed by Hamas three weeks ago, everyone in Israel understood the heartbreaking news awaiting him. His father and sister consoling him against the near certainty of his loss.
Along the convoy route Thursday, flag-waving Israelis paid their respects. Hostage Square, somber, not celebratory, as with previous releases.
White vans carrying the four on the last leg of their journey to a forensic institute for final identification. The country, the Bibas's, and the Lifshitz's fears closer to realization.
Nic Robertson, CNN, Jerusalem.
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VAUSE: And Israel was rocked Thursday night by three separate bus bombings. No one was hurt, and officials say the explosives were placed onto the buses when they were empty.
Authorities suspended operations of all buses and trains across the country, and there was a massive security response to what is considered a terror attack.
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HAIM ZARGAROV, DISTRICT COMMANDER, TEL AVIV POLICE (through translator): We received several reports on incidents from the terminal here at the Bat Yam Station about an explosion. When we arrived at the scene, we detected explosions in two buses.
At the same time, we received reports of several additional incidents, with scenes both in the city of Holon and the city of Bat Yam.
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VAUSE: Israeli police say they're now searching other busses to rule out any further threat.
After these blasts, the Israeli military says it will increase troop deployments to the West Bank come Friday morning.
Major changes to Washington's relationship with both Ukraine and Russia were widely expected after Donald Trump won a second term in office. But few could have predicted the dramatic transformation which has happened this week.
And when it comes to how best to deal with Russia's war in Ukraine, the divide between the U.S. and its allies now seems to be a chasm.
And not just in policy, but also in rhetoric. Western officials say, when referring to the war in Ukraine, the Trump White House does not want the term "Russian aggression" to be used in any official statements during an upcoming G-7 summit.
Earlier this week, the U.S. president falsely claimed Ukraine started the war. It did not. It's a blatant falsehood he and others have repeated or implied, while others, like the national security advisor, would not say.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After the president's post on Truth Social yesterday, need to know: Who does he think is more responsible for the Russian invasion of Ukraine? Putin or Zelenskyy?
MIKE WALTZ, U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR: Well, look, his -- his goal here is to bring this war to an end. Period. And there has been ongoing fighting on both sides. It is World War I-style trench warfare.
His frustration with President Zelenskyy is -- that you've heard is multifold.
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VAUSE: And now comes new intelligence which finds no evidence that the Russian president is serious about any peace talks with Ukraine, at least while he believes he can still achieve all of his war objectives. The report came as French President Emmanuel Macron and British Prime
Minister Keir Starmer are preparing to head to Washington next week. The French leader says he'll give a piece of advice to President Trump about how to deal with Vladimir Putin.
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EMMANUEL MACRON, FRENCH PRESIDENT (through translator): Donald Trump creates uncertainty for others, because he wants to make deals, find agreements, and so on. Donald Trump creates uncertainty for Vladimir Putin. That's a very good thing for us.
What I am going to do is I'm going to tell him, basically, you cannot be weak in the face of President Putin. It's not you. It's not your trademark.
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VAUSE: And the U.S. president's envoy for Ukraine is now in Kyiv. He met with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy on Thursday. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh was there.
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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT: How are you, sir? Thank you for coming.
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is the closest Ukraine has got to President Trump's noisy push for peace.
President Zelenskyy has wanted to meet U.S. envoy Keith Kellogg for weeks, just not on a day like today, with the U.S.-Ukraine relationship crumbling around them, making what they actually discussed matter less and less.
WALSH: Well, we're now leaving the presidency after being told that we're not expected to get a press conference or statements. Not the suggestion that either man looking for publicity.
And we are being told that -- that the format is the request of the American side here (ph).
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The last 48 hours have seen Ukraine standing with its main backer in freefall. But their fight against an advancing Russian aggressor has not stopped, even if the garish rhetoric around it has seemed to drown the dying out.
Trump falsely saying Ukraine started the war and its leader was deeply unpopular, refusing elections.
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: A dictator without elections, Zelenskyy better move fast, or he's not going to have a country left. WALSH (voice-over): And then adding Zelenskyy was asleep when he was
meant to meet Trump's treasury secretary in Kyiv.
TRUMP: Essentially, they told him no. And Zelenskyy was sleeping and unavailable to meet him. He traveled many hours on the train, which is a dangerous trip.
WALSH (voice-over): For clarity, here is Zelenskyy meeting with U.S. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent during that visit, both visibly awake.
And here they are again, neither apparently asleep.
But the litany of untruths from Trump continues, perhaps designed to pressure Ukraine into a deal over rare earth minerals that Bessent brought with him. Trump's national security advisor pressing, again, the need for a deal.
WALTZ: The war has to end. And what comes with that? What comes with that should be, at some point, elections. What comes with that should be peace. What comes with that is prosperity that we've just offered.
ZELENSKYY: OK. OK. Yes.
WALSH (voice-over): Two presidents, one in dire need of the other's help, the other apparently keen to leave him that way.
Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Kyiv, Ukraine.
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VAUSE: To Washington now. Jack Detsch, defense reporter for the online news outlet "Politico."
Jack, thank you for being with us.
JACK DETSCH, DEFENSE REPORTER, "POLITICO": Thank you so much for having me.
VAUSE: OK. It seems the designated best friend of Russia at the White House on Thursday was the national security advisor, Mike Waltz. During a news conference, he implied Ukraine started the war. And then there was this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The president has called Zelenskyy a dictator. Does he view Putin as a dictator?
WALTZ: President Trump is obviously very frustrated right now with President Zelenskyy. The fact that -- that he hasn't come to the table, that he hasn't been willing to take this opportunity that we have offered. I think he eventually will get to that point, and I hope so very quickly.
(END VIDEO CLIP) VAUSE: Seems kind of silly to dodge an easy answer. But to his other point there, it's pretty hard for Zelenskyy to come to the table when he's been locked out of the room.
DETSCH: That's right John. I mean, it seems the Trump administration's tack in the first few days of -- of negotiating here has been to try to extract leverage from Zelenskyy, first, going after the rare earth minerals. The Trump administration putting forward a deal in Munich trying to extract 50 percent of the revenues for Ukraine's rare earth minerals.
Now, this war of words between Zelenskyy and Trump. Trump, of course, calling Zelenskyy a dictator.
And now you're sort of left without the Ukrainians at the table, without the Europeans at the table, with sort of a shoehorned rapprochement between the United States and the Russians.
So, the U.S. very reticent to criticize Russia at this point in time, trying to get them to the negotiating table, because there's nobody else there at the moment.
VAUSE: As for the insults, which are coming from the U.S. President, Waltz had this explanation as to why the U.S. president has been insulting the Ukrainian president. Here he is.
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WALTZ: Some of the rhetoric coming out of Kyiv, frankly, and insults to President Trump were unacceptable.
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VAUSE: Well, after meeting with Keith Kellogg, who is Donald Trump's envoy for Ukraine and Russia, that disrespectful, ungrateful, ill- mannered Ukrainian president tweeted this: "I had a productive meeting with the special envoy, Kellogg. A good discussion. Many important details. I am grateful to the United States for all the assistance and bipartisan support for Ukraine and the Ukrainian people."
For the Trump administration right now, it seems, regardless of what Zelenskyy does, short of declaration of never-ending loyalty to Mother Russia, will it be the focus of criticism and disapproval?
DETSCH: It certainly seems like that in public. And we're seeing this this interesting split screen emerge in Trump foreign policy, where behind the scenes, the meetings have been going well.
We heard the readouts from the Europeans at the Munich Security Conference and in Paris last week that the meetings with J.D. Vance went well.
Then, of course, he lambasts the Europeans about democracy in public at Munich.
We saw the meetings go productively with Kellogg and Bessent behind the scenes. Then, of course, these verbal tongue lashings in public.
So, it seems like the strategy from the Trump administration is to try and leverage their allies in public while being cooperative in private. But it's not really clear where this strategy is leading.
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VAUSE: Yes. And when it comes to actually ending the war in Ukraine, there is no evidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin is prepared to seriously engage in peace talks with Ukraine that do not favor his maximalist aims in the country.
This coming from three sources familiar with U.S. and Western intelligence speaking to CNN.
It wouldn't be the first time a White House has been taken in by Putin. Here's George W. Bush describing his first encounter with the Russian president.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I look the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. And we had a very good dialog. I was able to get a sense of his soul.
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VAUSE: And then eight years after that, in 2009, came a relation reset. That's when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton gave the Russians their own special reset button. It was pretty lame. And relations didn't actually improve.
But both are examples, if you like, of bad judgment. Notably, White House officials then did not parrot Kremlin talking points.
So, in recent days, officials at the Trump administration, from the president on down, have made multiple blatantly false statements which benefit no other person other than Vladimir Putin.
So, what we have is a situation where it is no longer business as usual with the Kremlin, but moving forward, what business will the U.S. and Russia actually be doing? How does all of this now change as we move into this new relationship?
DETSCH: Well, that's the million-dollar question, John. And it seems like we're in a period of setup, much like the Biden administration was in 2021 before the Geneva summit between Trump [SIC] -- or between Putin and Biden at that time, rather.
Now it seems like we're heading for another big neutral site summit between Trump and Putin. And of course, the risk in that approach there is you could have both men behind the scenes, similar to what we saw in Helsinki in 2018. And Putin could try and extract maximum leverage from that situation.
And we do already see sort of these Kremlin talking points getting into the American bloodstream that Zelenskyy's approval rating is at 4 percent, that he started the war, none of which, of course, is true.
And so, it raises the question: are the Russians being effective at seeding their message in this administration and getting the White House to -- to read some of their talking points?
VAUSE: Yes, it's a bold new territory, if you like, or uncharted waters. Either way, it seems unnerving, to say the least.
Jack, thanks for being with us. Really appreciate your time.
DETSCH: Thank you so much.
VAUSE: After the U.S. officially labeled some of Mexico's biggest drug cartels terrorist organizations, that's paving the way forward to direct military strikes. And in a moment, we'll have details on a warning from the Mexican president to the White House.
Also, Pope Francis responding well to treatment. The very latest on his condition in a moment.
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VAUSE: Mexico's president says she will defend Mexico's sovereignty after the Trump administration targeted drug cartels by declaring them terrorist organizations.
This designation now means that the wave [SIC] -- the pave [SIC] is being -- the way is being cleared for direct military strikes on these organizations on Mexican soil.
The designation, though, according to the Mexican president, was done independently of any advice or meetings with the Mexican government. And she told Donald Trump that she would protect her country's sovereignty. And at the same time, both countries must work together.
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CLAUDIA SHEINBAUM, MEXICAN PRESIDENT (through translator): What we want to make clear in the face of this designation, is that we do not negotiate sovereignty. As I said yesterday, this cannot be an opportunity for the United States to invade our sovereignty.
So, they can name them however they want to. But with Mexico, it is a collaboration and coordination, never subordination, noninterference, and even less invasion.
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VAUSE: The U.S. is already flying covert MQ-9 Reaper drones inside Mexican airspace to spy on the cartels, part of President Trump's overhaul of national security resources to the Southern U.S. border with Mexico.
A slight improvement in Pope Francis's condition may be indicating he's reacting well to treatment for pneumonia. That coming from the Vatican Thursday.
A spokesperson also said the pontiff's heart is holding up well, and he's breathing on his own but receiving oxygen as an assistance.
More now from CNN's Christopher Lamb in Rome.
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CHRISTOPHER LAMB, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: For the second day running the Vatican, saying that Pope Francis's condition is slightly improving.
He's been in the hospital behind me, at the Gemelli, for seven days now.
LAMB (voice-over): And the Vatican saying, though, that he continues to be without a fever, that his blood flow parameters are stable, and that he has been devoting himself to some work activities. The pope appointed a bishop in France.
We're also told that he received the eucharist, and this is something the Vatican said a number of times. It suggests, though, the pope is not going to the chapel. He has a chapel on the 10th floor in the suite of rooms where he is staying, but is largely confined to his hospital room.
And the doctors have ordered the pope to rest so he can recover from this serious infection.
Now the pope is 88 years old. He has part of his right lung missing. He has a history of respiratory infections. So, this is a complex and uncertain situation for the pope.
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However, these signs from the Vatican suggest that things are moving in a more positive direction. Although, of course, we are waiting -
LAMB: -- further updates from the Vatican in the coming hours.
Christopher Lamb, CNN, Rome.
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VAUSE: A new pin-up boy for American conservatives. Elon Musk hits the Conservative Political Action Conference, and he has a chainsaw, as well. More on that in a moment.
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VAUSE: An update now on our lead story. Outrage in Israel after the release of four bodies of hostages by Hamas. And one of the bodies was not Israeli mother Shiri Bibas, as Hamas had promised, and it does not match any -- and the remains do not match any other Israeli hostages still being held.
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Israel has confirmed the identity of three other bodies, which was 4- year-old Ariel Bibas, 9-month-old Kfir Bibas, and 83-year-old Oded Lifshitz.
And there is also Israeli anger over how the bodies were returned. The International Red Cross collected the remains in the city of Khan Younis in Gaza, in a macabre handover ceremony filled with anti- Israeli propaganda.
Israel is still expecting the release of six living male hostages scheduled for Saturday.
A rock star reception for Elon Musk at the gathering of ultra conservatives. On stage for about 30 minutes, at one point wildly waving a running chainsaw, saying it was the chainsaw for bureaucracy.
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MUSK: This is the chainsaw for bureaucracy. Chainsaw!
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VAUSE: Musk also bragged about his efforts to shrink the federal workforce and breezily defended steep cuts, which have been criticized by Democrats, as well as a few Republicans.
U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance was in attendance, as well. He defended the administration's engagement with Russia as it looks to end the war in Ukraine.
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J.D. VANCE, U.S. VICE PRESIDENT: Why are you talking to Russia? Well, how are you going to end the war unless you're talking to Russia? You've got to talk to everybody involved in the fighting if you actually want to bring the conflict to a close.
And I know the president does.
He wants the killing to stop. He wants to bring lasting peace to Europe. He doesn't just want to stop it now and have the war restart a month from now. He wants to bring lasting peace to Europe.
Because the president believes this. And he's absolutely right. Peace is in the interest of Russia. It's in the interest of Ukraine. It's in the interest of Europe. But most importantly, peace is in the interest of the American people, and he's going to fight for it for the remainder of his administration.
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VAUSE: President Trump has moved at a blistering pace to implement his agenda during his first month back in the White House, and all the falsehoods, misstatements, misleading documents, as well, have all been fast and furious. CNN's fact checker Daniel Dale has more.
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DANIEL DALE, CNN SENIOR REPORTER: The president told so many lies in his first month in office that I had a hard time picking the biggest 13, which is rather remarkable when you think about it.
But I did make the list, and it was edited, ready to be published. And then, with just a couple days left in the month, Trump told perhaps the biggest lie of the whole bunch. Listen to what he said about Russia's war on Ukraine.
TRUMP: I think I have the power to end this war, and I think it's going very well. But today I heard, oh, well, we weren't invited.
Well, you've been there for three years. You should have ended it -- three years. You should have never started it. You could have made a deal.
DALE: Russia started the war. Russia invaded Ukraine. This barely needs a fact check.
And it's a good example of just how brazenly dishonest some of these lies are.
The president not only lied about complicated policy matters like tariffs, but also subjects where the truth is obvious or should be.
The president also gave us an example of something I think of as Trump-flation, and that is his years-old habit of making inaccurate stories more and more inaccurate over time.
Listen to how the imaginary tale of condoms for Gaza evolved over the course of just a week.
KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: DOGE and OMB also found that there was about to be 50 million taxpayer dollars that went out the door to fund condoms in Gaza.
TRUMP: We identified and stopped $50 million being sent to Gaza to buy condoms for Hamas. Fifty million. And you know what's happened to them? They've used them as a method of making bombs.
Fifty million dollars, plus another $50 million for condoms for Hamas. You know about that? A hundred million dollars for condoms.
DALE: So, this went from 50 million in condoms for Gaza to 50 million in condoms for Hamas to make bombs to 100 million in condoms for Hamas.
In reality, the White House couldn't provide evidence of any U.S. aid money being used for condoms in Gaza, let alone by Hamas, in particular.
I'll give you two more examples of how egregious this deception has been.
Trump keeps flirting with debunked conspiracy theories about childhood vaccinations causing autism. And he posted on social media that 20 years ago, the prevalence of autism in children was just 1 in 10,000.
In fact, public U.S. government statistics show it was 1 in 125, 20 years ago, a big difference.
Separately, when Trump was asked why he pardoned people who assaulted law enforcement during the riot at the U.S. Capitol in 2021, he responded that they were assaulted by the U.S. government and, quote, "They didn't assault."
They certainly did assault. We saw it with our own eyes. And more than 170 people pleaded guilty to assaulting law enforcement that day, in addition to many others who were convicted at trial.
Daniel Dale, CNN, Washington.
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VAUSE: The long-running Bond franchise, now under the creative control of Amazon. In just a moment, details of the major Hollywood deal.
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VAUSE: An overtime thriller in hockey's first ever 4 Nations Cup.
Canada beat the U.S. 3 to 2 with the overtime goal by Connor McDavid to win the tournament. Fans in Boston booed the Canadian national anthem ahead of the game. The U.S. national anthem was booed during earlier rounds played in Canada.
The bad blood began after U.S. President Donald Trump first threatened tariffs on Canadian imports.
Some big changes are coming to everyone's favorite super spy. 007.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I admire your luck, Mister --
SEAN CONNERY, ACTOR: Bond. James Bond.
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VAUSE: Amazon MGM is taking creative control of the James Bond franchise. The new deal comes after 27 movies over more than 60 years.
Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli will remain co-owners of the movies based on Ian Fleming's books.
Amazon and Jeff Bezos bought MGM in 2022 for $8.2 billion. The Bond series is the studio's most lucrative franchise. New lead spy may soon be announced as Daniel Craig stepping down.
Bezos has already asked his social media followers who they would choose to be the next bond. James Bond.
And I'm John Vause, back at the top of the hour with more CNN NEWSROOM. But in a -- stay with us. After a short break, WORLD SPORT begins.
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