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Macron: More Allies Ready to Be Part of 'Reassurance Force'; Judge Orders Administration to Preserve Chat Records; Turkish Tufts University Student Detained by Federal Agents; Anti-Hamas Protests in Gaza Demand End to War; 6 Killed in Submarine Accident Near Egyptian Red Sea Resort; Robot Squirrel Aims for Giant Leap in Space Exploration. Aired 12-12:45a ET

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JOHN VAUSE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: Europe's so-called reassurance force for Ukraine appears to be going nowhere. Ahead on CNN NEWSROOM.

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KEIR STARMER, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: Now is not the time for lifting of sanctions.

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VAUSE: But there is overwhelming European support to say "nyet" to a Kremlin demand to ease international sanctions.

The White House ordered to keep all messages in the now-infamous group chat about a military strike on Yemen.

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TY COBB, FORMER TRUMP WHITE HOUSE ATTORNEY: I think it will be interesting, perhaps telling, whether those -- whether those records were preserved.

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VAUSE: Because if they weren't, it would be a clear violation of federal law.

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MARCO RUBIO, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: Every time I find one of these lunatics, I take away their visa.

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VAUSE: More than 300 so far as the secretary of state goes hunting for foreign students involved in anti-U.S. activities.

ANNOUNCER: Live from Atlanta, this is CNN NEWSROOM with John Vause.

VAUSE: More than 30 European leaders gathered in Paris Thursday to try and agree on specific measures to help defend Ukraine from Russia.

The so-called Coalition of the Willing has met three times now in a month. And still, just who is willing to do what remains unclear.

At the same time, no lack of clarity from Russian President Vladimir Putin, who suggested installing a temporary administrator in Kyiv to oversee new elections and sign off on any peace agreement.

In other words, achieve a major objective of his invasion: removing the Ukrainian president from power, which is perhaps what Putin meant when he said he wanted the root causes that led to today's situation eliminated.

He made those remarks while speaking to a submarine crew during a visit to Russia's largest naval base in Murmansk. He told them he's willing to work with Europe, even though, in his words, "European leaders are always trying to lead us by the nose."

By day's end, there was overwhelming agreement from Paris: Now is not the time to ease sanctions on Moscow, despite Kremlin demands to do so before agreeing to a 30-day maritime ceasefire.

And in what seemed to be a clear message to both the Kremlin and the White House. British Prime Minister Keir Starmer told reporters the only discussion on sanctions was how they could be strengthened.

Well, Ukraine's president pleaded for the United States to get tougher with Putin.

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VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): We all need America to be stronger in relation to Russia. We really want the U.S. president to be stronger in relation to the Kremlin's master. It is important for us. We need to work on this issue.

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More details now on the summit in Paris from CNN's Clare Sebastian.

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CLARE SEBASTIAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, this was a major show of unity from Europe and support for Ukraine.

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): Twenty-seven heads of state, as well as the leaders of NATO and the European Union, committing to strengthening Ukraine in the short term.

Now, there was no firm agreement yet on security guarantees. But there was progress. President Macron saying that more countries, though not all of those present, had Signaled a willingness to be part of a so- called reassurance force in Ukraine, once a ceasefire is reached.

But of course, that is far from imminent. Since the so-called Coalition of the Willing last met in the beginning of March, Russia has rejected a full ceasefire. It's agreed to a pause in attacks on energy infrastructure, which Ukraine says it's repeatedly violated.

And it's demanded extensive sanctions relief in return for a partial ceasefire in the Black Sea, leaving, in effect, the U.S.-led peace initiative in limbo.

Well, the good news for Ukraine is that the leaders gathered in Paris were apparently unanimous in rejecting Russia's terms. And given the extent of European sanctions on Russia, this carries weight.

STARMER: In complete clarity that now is not the time for lifting of sanctions. Quite the contrary, what we discussed is how we can increase sanctions to support the U.S. initiative to bring Russia to the table through further pressure from this group of countries.

EMMANUEL MACRON, FRENCH PRESIDENT (through translator): In terms of short-term support for Ukraine, we also decided unanimously that this is not the time to lift whatever sanctions are on Russia, and there will not be a lifting of sanctions before peace is clearly established.

SEBASTIAN: Now, by contrast, President Trump has said he's looking at Russia's conditions for a ceasefire.

So, the difficulty for Europe here is that it risks looking like it's breaking with the U.S. at a time when it's fighting to keep up the appearance of transatlantic unity and, of course, convince the U.S. to provide some kind of backstop to an eventual security guarantee for Ukraine, something there's been no clear Signals on yet.

Well, for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, after spending weeks --

SEBASTIAN (voice-over): -- repairing the damage of the Oval Office spat with President Trump, this was also a fine line.

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He called on the U.S. to be stronger in its attitude to Russia --

SEBASTIAN: -- urging President Trump to help strengthen Ukraine's hand as it pushes for peace.

Clare Sebastian, CNN, London.

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VAUSE: Now to Los Angeles and CNN's European affairs commentator, Dominic Thomas. Dominic, good to see you.

DOMINIC THOMAS, CNN EUROPEAN AFFAIRS COMMENTATOR: Thanks for having me on again, John.

VAUSE: OK, so right now there is no agreement on one of the biggest issues for European leaders. And that's sending troops to Ukraine once a ceasefire is in place.

Here's the French president on what he calls a reassurance force.

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MACRON (through translator): There will be no substitution for the Ukrainian army. We want to be robust. Russia today is opposing both the Ukrainian army and the reassurance forces. So, it is clear that Russia doesn't want any of that.

But it is about international law, and it is not up to Russia to dictate what will happen in the Ukrainian territories.

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VAUSE: All good sentiment. And Macron wants a plan in place within weeks.

But is this one of those ideas which is potentially so complex, so contentious that, without overwhelming agreement among European leaders, as well as at least some support from the U.S., and if it happens at all, it could end up being the equivalent of, you know, wet lettuce.

THOMAS: Yes, and there's a big problem with lettuce in European politics, as we know.

So that, you know, look, John. I think that the main issue here is, as far as Russia is concerned, walking away from this conflict with an autonomous, independent Ukraine, with European or NATO troops anywhere in that region ensuring a sustainable solution towards peace is not going to be acceptable.

And yet, without that on the ground, let's not forget: this is a conflict that has been going since at least 2014.

The Europeans -- this conflict is taking place in their backyard -- are eager to find a long-term sustainable solution. And at the moment, this sort of juggling with vocabulary, whether it's peacekeepers, reassurance forces, what they're talking about is a concrete final sort of outcome here that puts an end to this conflict and to the uncertainty moving forward.

VAUSE: As for Russia's demands that sanctions be eased before agreeing to sign on for a 30-day maritime ceasefire, there was this very loud agreement, if you like, from Paris. And here's more now from the British prime minister.

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STARMER: Now is not the time for lifting of sanctions. Quite the contrary. What we discussed is how we can increase sanctions to support the U.S. initiative to bring Russia to the table through further pressure from this group of countries.

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VAUSE: Sanctions can be very effective, but only when there's international agreement and no workarounds, if you like. So, once again, this all seems to come back to the White House, which seems more than eager to start doing business with Moscow.

THOMAS: Right. So, I think, you know, obviously, when it comes to it, the very fact that President Putin articulates or makes a demand for concessions on sanctions actually reveals a vulnerability which the Europeans have understood loud and clear. This is the one area in which they can pressure the Russian administration.

And so, they're not about -- without any concessions or any movement forward on this peace accord, about to give up that aspect of the chessboard.

The problem is, as much as they would like and wish for an American backstop, something that is reliable and can be depended on, there is tremendous concern about the reliability of any kind of commitment from the United States.

And you have President Trump, who I think is realizing that a solution here is not as easy as he perhaps had thought when he returned to office, is that there are red lines for Europe, for the European Union in general.

He's been soft on multilateral support around NATO, around the European Union. And even the people around President Trump have been repeating, regurgitating Russian disinformation, talking points about the fact that there are folks on the ground in Ukraine that are pro- Russia, or the fact that they speak Russian means that they are somehow aligned with the Russian federation.

And so, this sort of move towards neutrality is a problem for Europeans, who see, unambiguously, Russia as the aggressor here and as the problem for which a solution is needed moving forward, John.

VAUSE: Well, on Thursday, the problem, the Russian president, floated the idea of a temporary administrator under the U.N. governing -- under the U.N. auspices governing Ukraine. Here he is.

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VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIAN PRESIDENT (through translator): For what? In order to hold democratic elections; in order to bring to power a viable government that enjoys the people's trust. And then began negotiations with it on a peace treaty, sign legitimate documents that will be recognized throughout the world and will be reliable and stable.

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VAUSE: Viktor Yanukovych may be free at the moment to do that job.

You know, every reason Putin put forward there to support this idea was totally bogus.

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So why would anyone agree to achieve one of his major goals of the war, which was to remove Zelenskyy from power?

THOMAS: This is -- exactly. And this is something that, you know, President Trump, you know, has -- has -- has also repeated and uttered and -- and brought into the -- into the space.

What's important to underscore is that the meeting in Paris included not just European leaders, not just E.U. leaders, NATO leadership, but also President Zelenskyy. President Zelenskyy is there at the table. He is part of the solution, in the sense of finding a path forward here.

The United States is in no position to talk here. They don't even have an ambassador to the U.N. at the moment.

There are deals. There is a peace plan on the table. And what we see here is President Putin exploiting this kind of lack of engagement and lack of certainty from the White House, while at the same time, watching Europeans trying to come up with something for which they have genuine interests and concerns moving, moving forward here to.

And so, the only path forward here is with President Putin accepting that this is a negotiation in which concessions are going to have to be made. And the sooner they sit down and start to hash those out and each realize that they've got to give up something, we're not going to move forward here.

And there's going to be just more and more talk, more and more meetings, but less concrete actions, while at the same time conflict continues. Bombs are being dropped, John.

VAUSE: Yes, it does seem that Putin is stalling, if you like, with these demands and these statements about administrators to keep, that kind of thing.

Dominic Thomas, thanks so much for being with us. We appreciate it.

THOMAS: Thank you.

VAUSE: In just 61 days, Pete Hegseth may have confirmed what many critics warned of before he was sworn in as defense secretary. Current and former defense officials telling CNN the former FOX

Weekend morning host appears to lack both the critical judgment and experience needed to run the Pentagon; especially so after he shared highly sensitive, if not classified, military plans using the commercial messaging app Signal.

Meantime, a U.S. federal judge has ordered the Trump administration to preserve the chat group text messages. CNN's Paula Reid has details.

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PAULA REID, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Judge James Boasberg described his decision as a, quote, "compromise" to temporarily resolve --

REID (voice-over): -- the question of whether the Trump administration violated federal records laws when several officials used Signal to discuss U.S. strikes on Yemen.

Now, in his decision, Boasberg said that the administration has to preserve all Signal messages between March 11th and March 15th.

Those dates are significant, because those are the dates when multiple officials, including an "Atlantic" reporter who was inadvertently added to the chat, were using Signal to discuss those strikes in Yemen.

Now, the judge is significant, because he is a judge that has come under attack by President Trump in recent weeks. And it's notable that he sort of nodded --

REID: -- to this controversy during Thursday's hearing. He started off the hearing by talking about how judges are selected, because over the past few weeks, he's been overseeing a different controversy involving the Trump administration --

REID (voice-over): -- one related to Trump's sweeping use of a wartime authority to facilitate deportations of individuals the administration says are affiliated with a Venezuelan gang.

Now, Boasberg had put a halt on those deportations, but the administration had said, because his first order was done from the bench --

REID: -- was an oral order, that they did not have to adhere to it. So, there was a little bit of a joke on Thursday --

REID (voice-over): -- in the hearing related to Signal chats, where the judge said, All right, I'm going to put this in -- in writing. So, they'll obviously have to abide by it. And he did just shortly after that hearing.

REID: Now, the administration also has to submit a status report on their efforts to preserve these messages, which they said in court they were trying to track down and preserve. That status report is due on Monday.

Paula Reid, CNN, Washington.

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VAUSE: The U.S. secretary of state says he's personally revoked more than 300 visas for foreign students, with more on the way. Rubio described the students as "lunatics involved in anti-U.S. behavior."

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RUBIO: Every time I find one of these lunatics, I take away their visa.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You're saying it could be more than 300 visas?

RUBIO: Sure, I hope. I mean, at some point I hope we run out, because we've gotten rid of all of them. But we're looking every day for these lunatics that are tearing things up. And by the way, we want to get rid of gang members, too.

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VAUSE: One of the 300 who lost their visas is Turkish Ph.D. student Rumeysa Ozturk. She's being held without charges at an immigration and customs facility in the state of Louisiana.

Plainclothes immigration agents arrested her thousands of miles away in Massachusetts. The U.S. government alleges that she supports Hamas. I should say hundreds of miles, rather.

Secretary Rubio doubled down on these allegations just a short time ago.

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RUBIO: There's a clear distinction between protesting against the democratic order and protesting in favor of groups that advocate the slaughter and murder of innocent people.

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VAUSE: More details now on Ozturk's case from CNN's Priscilla Alvarez.

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PRISCILLA ALVAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Rumeysa Ozturk is the latest in a string of arrests in the United States of foreign nationals linked to prestigious universities and purported to be related or have ties to a terrorist organization.

Now, the administration is using an obscure law to target these individuals. It gives the secretary of state authority to revoke a visa if that individual, or individuals, is believed to have an adverse foreign policy consequence. ALVAREZ (voice-over): Now there are no charges against Rumeysa.

According to her attorney, she was here legally. But the Department of Homeland Security, which has not provided evidence, said the following in a statement.

Quote, "DHS and ICE investigations found Ozturk engaged in activities in support of Hamas." They go on to say, "Glorifying and supporting terrorists who kill Americans is grounds for visa issuance to be terminated."

Now, as you see in the video, she was approached by plainclothes officers while she was walking. And it was then that they detained her -- arrested her, and then detained her.

This was an issue that came up in court, where a judge said that she should not be moved out of Massachusetts. The Department of Homeland Security saying, however, that they had already moved her to an ICE facility in Louisiana.

ALVAREZ: She becomes the third student to be detained in that facility.

Her family believes that it is an op-ed that she wrote last year that has served as the basis for this, where she criticized the response to the pro-Palestinian movement. Her brother saying in a statement, quote, "It seems that she has been subjected to the activities of ICE, which has been on a witch hunt in the post-Trump period against those who support Palestine." Going on to say that "The land of the free, the freedom of expression and the freedom of belief are under" -- or rather that they have been targeted.

ALVAREZ (voice-over): Now the secretary of state, Marco Rubio, did weigh in on this, and he has suggested that there are more to come, saying that there may have been more than 300 visas to date that have been revoked.

Now, again, the secretary of state here is critical in the invoking of this law to, again, revoke visas from those who they deem could be national security threats.

ALVAREZ: But the major concern with immigrant advocates and immigration attorneys is that there is not evidence that is being provided to justify or serve as the basis for this. Or at times, the evidence that is being presented is flimsy, and that has been a major concern and is also part of ongoing lawsuits.

But certainly, the administration indicating that they are not backing down anytime soon.

Back to you.

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VAUSE: Canada's prime minister, Mark Carney, is vowing to retaliate after U.S. President Donald Trump announced sweeping new tariffs Wednesday: 25 percent on all cars and car parts shipped to the United States.

Carney called the tariffs, quote, "a direct attack on Canada," ending more than 200 years of friendly relations.

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MARK CARNEY, CANADIAN PRIME MINISTER (through translator): It's clear the U.S. is no longer a reliable partner. It is possible that, with comprehensive negotiations, we could reestablish an element of confidence, but there will be no going backwards.

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VAUSE: Japan's prime minister says all options are now under consideration for retaliation. Both Germany and France urging the E.U. to hit back.

But while world leaders weigh their options, most experts agree Americans should expect car prices to go up by thousands of dollars.

Still ahead, fed up with Hamas rule, thousands of Palestinians taking to the streets of Gaza to protest the militant group's tight grip on power while demanding an end to the war.

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VAUSE: Welcome back. In the past few days, more than a dozen workers with various aid groups in Gaza have either been killed or are now missing, according to their employers.

The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees, UNWRA, says eight staff members were killed in the past week alone after Israel broke a ceasefire with Hamas and renewed military operations.

Israeli strikes have also killed a volunteer with the World Central Kitchen. Six others were wounded in the attack, which came as meals were being distributed, according to the U.S.-based nonprofit.

Over this week, over consecutive days this week, thousands of Palestinians took to the streets of Gaza for the largest public demonstration against Hamas since the war began.

CNN's Jeremy Diamond reports why this is significant, but a warning: viewers may find some of the content in his report disturbing.

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GRAPHIC: Yalla, yalla, yalla! Hamas, get out!

JEREMY DIAMOND, CNN JERUSALEM CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Calls for ousting Hamas echo through the rubble-lined streets of Northern Gaza. After 17 months of war, public exhaustion and rising anger at the Islamist militant group has spilled out into the open, marking the war's largest anti-Hamas demonstrations.

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DIAMOND (voice-over): "No Hamas, no Jihad," they chant. "We want to save our country."

Over two consecutive days, a few thousand Palestinians poured into the streets of Beit Lahia. The protests represent a relatively small share of Gaza's population of more than 2 million, but it is still a remarkable stand against a group that has not hesitated to violently quash dissent.

Some carried white flags as they raised their voices against Hamas and against the war.

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This Gazan surgeon calling on Israel to stop the bloodshed, and on Arab nations to drive up the pressure. But his final message is to Hamas.

"Enough is enough," Dr. Ahmed (ph) says. "You have ruled long enough. Give others a chance. Give others the opportunity to govern."

"We have no food. Our children find nothing to eat," this man says. "We walk while stumbling over everything. We say no to Hamas. We have had enough. We are tired."

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DIAMOND (voice-over): Small protests also broke out in other parts of the Gaza Strip, including in the central city of Deir al-Balah.

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DIAMOND (voice-over): "I will not be ruled by a masked man," reads one sign. "The blood of our children is not cheap," reads another.

Israel, seizing on the protests, calling on more Gazans to rise up. But there is also a message here for Israel.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)

DIAMOND (voice-over): "Not all the people in Gaza are Hamas. Nor are they terrorists to be treated so severely," this man says, condemning Hamas's indiscriminate attacks. "Hamas," he says, "must also stop gambling with their lives."

Anger at Hamas has largely stayed below the surface --

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DIAMOND (voice-over): -- revealing itself only in the cries of those cursing Hamas after their loved ones were killed.

And so, it is no surprise that Northern Gaza is where the anger boiled over. No part of the strip has been more devastated. But there are still children here, and hope is not yet extinguished.

DIAMOND: In a statement, Hamas government media office said that the protests, quote, "do not reflect the general national position," insisting that they are the result of the, quote, "unprecedented pressure our people are experiencing amid the war."

The question now is whether these protests will continue to grow. And if they do, whether they will actually affect Hamas's position on ceasefire negotiations.

Jeremy Diamond, CNN, Tel Aviv.

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VAUSE: Another maritime tragedy in the Red Sea. A tourist submarine with 45 on board sinks. And right now, Egyptian authorities don't know why.

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VAUSE: Six Russian tourists confirmed dead after a submarine sank in the Red Sea. Forty-five people were on board the tourist sub. And as CNN's Salma Abdelaziz reports, some survivors remain in a critical condition.

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SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: A tourist submarine crashed off the coast of the city of Hurghada on the Red Sea in Egypt.

ABDELAZIZ (voice-over): The crash occurring at about 10 a.m. local time, about one kilometer from the shore, according to officials, who say that security forces and rescue teams were quick to respond to the crash and head to the scene to provide support to survivors, sending them to hospitals in the area and also, of course, to collect the bodies of the dead.

Now, the submarine, called the Sindbad, is owned and operated by a hotel with the same namesake. On their website, they advertise these excursions on this submarine, which is described as a luxury experience with TV monitors and great views, of course, of this beautiful Red Sea coast and the marine life and the coral reef that is so famous for that region.

We also know that there were minors aboard the submarine. We are not aware if those minors are among the victims.

Authorities now, of course, rushing, scrambling to provide support to families. ABDELAZIZ: This is going to be a huge blow to Egypt's tourism

industry, which has already been hit by one accident after another. It was only a few months ago that a yacht crashed off the Red Sea coast, killing 16 people.

So, the Egyptian government will be doing everything it can, saying it's launching an investigation now to provide that support for the families, find out what went wrong and to reassure people that tourism is still safe in Egypt.

Salma Abdelaziz, CNN, London.

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VAUSE: We'll take a short pause here on CNN. Back in a moment.

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VAUSE: The humble squirrel, with an agility to bounce from tree to tree, leap across wide gaps and execute pinpoint landings on the flimsiest of branches.

And now, scientists in the United States are hoping robots one day can do the same.

As Louise McLaughlin reports, these robots could travel far beyond our planet one day, going where no squirrel has gone before.

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LOUISE MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A robot that can parkour like a squirrel.

ROBERT FULL, HHMI PROFESSOR, U.C. BERKELEY: They are the, you know, most agile animals from nature.

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Biologists and engineers at University of California, Berkeley, worked together to make a robot that can do just that.

Meet the hopping and now balancing robot Salto.

JUSTIN YIM, PROFESSOR: I actually have it here with me.

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Justin Yim, now a professor at University Of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign, worked on the one-legged jumping robot during his time as a student at U.C. Berkeley.

Yim worked alongside professors like Robert Full and other students to translate squirrels' leaping and landing patterns to Salto.

YIM: We realized that we had this great synergy in exploring both jumping robots and jumping squirrels and decided to work on this project together. MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): The results? A robot that can stick a landing

on a narrow rod, just like the furry rodent.

FULL: Justin was able to do something that, you know, no other robot could do: jump from branch to branch like that.

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): The next leap for Salto --

YIM: To get around in complicated environments where humans have difficulty, or where it's dangerous for humans to go.

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MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Or eventually, explore faraway places like Saturn's moon, Enceladus.

YIM: If a robot can jump four feet high here, it could jump, like, an entire football field on Enceladus. And that means that it might be really good at covering lots of very challenging terrain quickly.

MCLAUGHLIN (voice-over): Yim is now embarking on a NASA-funded project to see if a robot like Salto can one day land on that icy moon.

This, all thanks to squirrels and a one-legged robot.

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VAUSE: Thank you for watching CNN NEWSROOM. I'm John Vause. Please stay with us. There'll be more CNN NEWSROOM at the top of the hour. In the meantime, WORLD SPORT starts after a short break.

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