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First Move with Julia Chatterley
U.S. Campus Protests; Tense Protests Rock Major U.S. Colleges; Mike Johnson Shouted Down In New York; U.S. Abortion Laws In The Spotlight; Supreme Court Debates Access To Emergency Abortions; Abortion In America; Chipotle's Tasty Earnings; Chipotle Finds A Sweet Spot; Hamas Releases Video Of Israeli-American Hostage; Japan Airlines President; Japan Airlines CEO On Her Rise To The Top; Shogun's Success; Shogun Finale; Premier League Title Race. Aired 6-7p ET
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JAKE TAPPER, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: At the time, Bush said the NCAA defamed him and that he was not paid to play football at USC. Now, 2024,
college athletes can receive compensation for their name, image, and likeness.
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JULIA CHATTERLEY, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: I'm Julia Chatterley. And wherever you are in the world, this is your "First Move."
A warm welcome to "First Move" once again. And here's today's need to know. From coast to coast, pro-Palestinian protests erupt across U.S. college
campuses. U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson shouted down in New York as he condemned extremism.
Arizona taking steps to repeal an abortion ban dating back to 1864 as the Supreme Court debates access to emergency abortions.
Burrito bonanza. U.S. restaurant chain, Chipotle, serving up some tasty earnings thanks in part to higher prices. We'll make a meal of it with
their CFO shortly.
Plus --
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MITSUKO TOTTORI, PRESIDENT, JAPAN AIRLINES (through translator): I hope that Japan will soon become a place where people are not surprised when a
woman becomes a president.
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CHATTERLEY: And from flight attendant to the top flight, the CEO of Japan Airlines urging others to fly high. That conversation and much more coming
up.
But first, to escalating tensions across U.S. college campuses. Pro- Palestinian demonstrations continue at schools across the United States, criticizing Israel's war in Gaza. This is the scene from University of
Texas at Austin West in Wednesday, where several arrests were made. You can see State Troopers there dressed in riot gear.
Meanwhile, over on the West Coast, the University of Southern California, protesters there also clashing with police. The college now requiring
students to show ID in order to get on campus.
And here in New York, as I mentioned, House Speaker Mike Johnson visited Columbia University and called on President Minouche Shafik to resign. He
also had this to say.
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REP. MIKE JOHNSON (R-LA), U.S. HOUSE SPEAKER: The cherished traditions of this university are being overtaken right now by radical and extreme
ideologies. They place a target on the backs of Jewish students in the United States and here on this campus. A growing number of students have
chanted in support of terrorists. They have chased down Jewish students. They have mocked them and reviled them. They have shouted racial epithets.
They have screamed at those who bear the Star of David.
Enjoy your free speech.
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CHATTERLEY: And Columbia University officials, just in the last 30 minutes to an hour, denying rumors that the school threatened to call in the
National Guard to help address the crisis. Isabel Rosales is at Brown University in Rhode Island where an encampment has been set up.
And Isabel, regular viewers will remember that we spoke to you yesterday as well. What have you seen today and what have you been saying to some of the
students there that have spoken to you?
ISABEL ROSALES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Julia. Let me actually give you a new development. We just got a hold of an e-mail sent to the student body
from the president of Brown, who states that unlike what we've seen at other campuses, there have been no altercations here. There have been no
reports of intimidation, of harassment, of violence, untoward behavior here on Brown's campus.
And in this lengthy e-mail that we just got a hold of, she also spoke about censorship. And she said this, I am writing to assure you all that this
will not happen at Brown. Freedom of expression is a right that guarantees the ability of individual members of the community to express their views,
period.
So, she's saying they will not be expelling students, firing faculty based on them expressing their views here on campus.
And as far as what we've seen, this encampment of just over 20 tents here, this all came about since this morning, all of these tents, a hundred plus,
and the protesters coming in and out of this green area throughout the day, chanting, singing, saying from Columbia to Brown, we will not let Gaza
down.
And, Julia, let me have you look that way to the left, right over here, that brick building right there, that is the administrative building. So,
you have school officials being able to hear these chants, being able to see this growing encampment from these windows.
We also know, and we witnessed in the past couple of hours in a circle of these demonstrators right over here, we saw university police escorting
school officials as they had this machine and started scanning school IDs one by one by one. We know that these students nonetheless face
disciplinary action because it is against school policy to have an encampment here on these grounds.
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But I spoke to several of them, including an organizer who is Jewish, and he said, time will show that we are on the right side of history here. I
don't care that I'm facing potentially an arrest or disciplinary action. We will stay out here. We will not leave until our demands are met.
What are their demands, Julia? They are to divest in any -- of any companies here for Brown to divest of any companies that have ties to the
Israeli government. And also, they are asking for protection of free speech on campus, specifically for charges to be dropped against 41 students who,
back in December in a pro-Palestinian protest to sit in, inside of that building, they face charges because of that incident back in December.
So, a lot of passion here from these students saying they will not leave. They have a message that needs to be heard. Of course, we've heard around
campuses around the nation other Jewish students on campus that have certainly felt uncomfortable by what they're witnessing. But this is a very
nuanced conversation that's happening from all sides, the student movement, the youth leading this moment, and these protests spreading across
different campuses across the United States. Julia.
CHATTERLEY: Certainly. And it's interesting, to your point, that they're now swiping to make sure that it is students that are there and perhaps not
outsiders that are also looking to influence some of these debates. As you said, the administration there is saying, look, it's OK, and we're
seemingly seeing peaceful protests and that's OK.
How long do those that you've spoken to in the encampment expect to stay then if they're waiting for their demands to be met? And have we heard
anything from officials there about those negotiations?
ROSALES: They said that they will stay here until those demands are met. So, they don't look to be budging at all. I will also say that commencement
graduation is May 24th, I believe, toward the end of May. And these are the grounds where that graduation ceremony takes place. So, something you would
imagine has to give. Either they move that commencement or they take these tents away.
We were told by the school that if laws are broken or if things escalate, that's when they would bring some police officers on site here that may
involve arrest. But so far, again, the school saying, listen, this is them expressing, you know, their views. There's been no instances of violence,
of intimidation, of harassment, none of that. So, this is their First Amendment right.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, Isabel Rosales there. Thank you so much for that report. And we'll leave you there in Rhode Island.
Bringing it back to New York now, Joseph Stiglitz is a Nobel Prize winning economist and a professor at Columbia University. My colleague Paula Newton
asked him what he thought of the House Speaker Mike Johnson calling for the school president to resign. Just take a listen.
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JOSEPH STIGLITZ, PROFESSOR OF ECONOMICS, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY: I disagree with him strongly. The -- what I think is that he should resign. That he is
interfering in a fundamental way with a basic pre -- a way in which our society works, academic freedom. Academic freedom is really important to
the running, not only of our universities, but of our society.
Universities are an important critic of what government does. And if we lose that academic freedom, our country, I think, is in a very bad shape.
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CHATTERLEY: OK. Let's get more on the wider significance of these protests. National Security Analyst Juliette Kayyem joins us now. Juliette, great to
have you with us. I think, first and foremost, and we were just hearing from Isabel there, where they were scanning IDs and everything seemed very
calm. That's very different from perhaps what we saw at the University of Texas in Austin earlier today.
How do you maintain safety? How do you make sure that every student on campus is safe in this environment, first and foremost?
JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: Yes. So, first of all, you have to define safe. And so, there is a difference between
opinions you don't like or opinions that make you feel uncomfortable and then physically being threatened or feel that you're physically being
threatened.
And I think we have to -- universities and colleges have to be, in particular, very sensitive to this because they have a diversity of
viewpoints. They embrace those diversity of viewpoints. And so, the way -- I sort of feel like, and I'm sure viewers are experiencing it like
everything was fine two days ago, and now it seems like every college and university is having some issue.
And if you look at the totality of what's going on, it seems clear to me that these colleges and universities need to provide outlets for the kind
of dissent or the kind of protest that students want. They have to engage those students in what is and is not permissible. And then only then get to
the consequences of those students disobeying it.
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You don't launch the National Guard or the state police or, you know, as a first Salvo, right, because the best security planning is one that de-
escalate, that doesn't get to some of these situations. And I think that's what -- I think that's the middle lane that you're going to start to see
these colleges and universities get to with strong, what we call, access controls. You have to control who is on the colleges and universities
because we know others will take advantage of the unrest.
CHATTERLEY: Yes. So, long before you perhaps call in the National Guard, the example that we used there, the State Troopers that we saw, you have to
ensure that you're only dealing with students on your campus.
There is, though, a gray area, which is, where is the right to free speech? At what point does that become hate speech? Does that become intimidating
to certain subsets of the student population, Juliette? And I sort of wonder whether this is a line that the leadership aren't necessarily making
clear, even to the point that we were hearing from Isabel there where she said it's not allowed to have this encampment.
But obviously, this encampment is going to go and continue, and the students aren't worried about disciplinary procedures, but they are being
swiped and scanned to make sure the students. It's sort of, again, where do you draw the lines here and where are the lines allowed to be blurred?
KAYYEM: Right. So, this is going to be -- this is the challenge -- I met Harvard University, this is the challenge, obviously. We've had our issues.
This is the challenge for all colleges and universities. I think it's incumbent on them to make it clear what is permissible protests, where
students, whatever their age, they're allowed to protest and where they are allowed to protest versus what is impermissible behavior.
So, putting up tents, you know, the day before graduation is not permissible. They will be evacuated. They will be dismantled. The gray
area, as you've described, is one that is, there's no like, you know, great rule. It is though -- it is that there is a line between feeling
uncomfortable or not liking what you hear and feeling that your identity is under threat of violence. And that line, if it's crossed, or it's not
perfect, that is when public safety steps in.
But I will tell you, just -- I've been on air all day, just looking, it's - - I don't -- the threat, the physical threat, is going to increase the quicker that these colleges and universities are sort of deploying massive
law enforcement there.
We have this technique and safety and security called de-escalation. These colleges and universities know how to do it and we should go back to those
tactics. It's engagement with the students, even if we don't like what they're saying, it is setting rules of appropriate conduct, and then they
face the consequences.
There's no perfect answer. Every college and university is struggling through this. But the idea that protest, per se, is antisemitic is not
accurate. We know who's protesting. We've interviewed Jewish protesters. And also, that this can be solved by the single firing of a university
president is ridiculous.
I mean, it is -- this is a very difficult issue. And it is incumbent on the colleges and universities to also try to deescalate because it's dangerous
for everyone.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, but you have to accurately define what permissible protest is and what it isn't. And not do perhaps what happened today and look like
the situation is completely out of control.
KAYYEM: Exactly.
CHATTERLEY: Yes. Juliette Kayyem -- Juliette, let's put you in charge. Thank you for that. Thank you.
KAYYEM: It's easy for me to be on the outside. But, yes.
CHATTERLEY: I know.
KAYYEM: De-escalate, that's all I say. But thank you so much for having me.
CHATTERLEY: We heard it. Thank you.
All right. Now, to a case that could have implications for women across the United States. The Supreme Court has had arguments on whether a federal law
ensuring emergency care overrides a state law that restricts abortions.
The deliberations all come nearly two years since the overturning of Roe v. Wade by the Supreme Court. Paula Reid looks at what's at stake today.
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PAULA REID, CNN CHIEF LEGAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Today, the Supreme Court heard another historic case on abortion as protesters on both
sides of the issue gathered out front.
The high stakes hearing focused on Idaho's abortion ban and how it applies in medical emergencies. The state allows exceptions when the life of a
mother is at risk, but the Biden administration sued the state, arguing that federal law requires the state to allow the procedure if it is needed
to stabilize a patient, even when the mother's condition is not yet life threatening.
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Joshua Turner argued for the state and faced a barrage of medical hypotheticals from the liberal justices.
ELENA KAGAN, ASSOCIATE JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES: All of these cases are rare, but within these rare cases, there's a
significant number where the woman is -- her life is not in peril, but she's going to lose her reproductive organs. She's going to lose the
ability to have children in the future, unless an abortion takes place.
REID (voice-over): Conservative Justice Amy Coney Barrett joined her liberal colleagues in pressing Turner on the state's position and how it
leaves doctors open to prosecution.
JOSHUA TURNER: If they were exercising their medical judgment, they could, in good faith, determine that lifesaving care was necessary. And that's my
point. Is a subjective standard --
AMY CONEY BARRETT, ASSOCIATE JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES: But some doctors couldn't. Some doctors might reach a contrary
conclusion, I think is what Justice Sotomayor is asking you. So, if they reached the conclusion that the legislature's doctors did, would they be
prosecuted under Idaho law?
TURNER: No, no. If they reached the conclusion that the -- Dr. Reynolds, Dr. White did, that these were life-saving --
BARRETT: What if the prosecutor thought differently? What if the prosecutor thought, well, I don't think any good faith doctor could draw that
conclusion, I'm going to put on my expert?
TURNER: And that, Your Honor, is the nature of the prosecutorial discretion.
REID (voice-over): Justice Barrett and Chief Justice John Roberts had tough questions for both sides and could end up being the swing votes that
determined the outcome. Elizabeth Prelogar argued for the government that Idaho is subject to a federal law called the Emergency Medical Treatment
and Labor Act or EMTALA.
ELIZABETH PRELOGAR, SOLICITOR GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES: In Idaho, doctors have to shut their eyes to everything except death, whereas under
EMTALA, you're supposed to be thinking about things like, is she about to lose her fertility? Is her uterus going to become incredibly scarred
because of the bleeding? Is she about to undergo the possibility of kidney failure?
REID (voice-over): She faced questions from conservatives about how to protect unborn children.
SAMUEL ALITO, ASSOCIATE JUSTICE OF THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES: Have you seen abortion statutes that use the phrase unborn child? Doesn't
that tell us something?
PRELOGAR: It tells us that Congress wanted to expand the protection for pregnant women so that they could get the same duties to screen and
stabilize when they have a condition that's threatening the health and wellbeing of the unborn child.
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REID (on camera): A decision in this case is expected in late June, right in the middle of the presidential election cycle.
Now, historically, Republicans have used the issue of abortion to galvanize a certain block of their supporters. But since Roe was overturned, we've
actually seen that this can galvanize Democrats. So, a lot riding on this decision from the high court. Julia.
CHATTERLEY: Thanks to Paula Reed there. Now, Arizona's House of Representatives has voted to overturn a civil war abortion ban in the
state. Three Republican lawmakers broke ranks with their party and voted with Democrats to repeal the ban. The move paves the way for a
reinstatement of a 15-week ban on abortions that makes exemptions for medical emergencies.
Now, straight ahead, Chipotle chips away at diners' budgets. Meals are costing more, but the earnings are still very tasty. The company's chief
financial officer will be here to discuss their earnings.
And, "Shogun's" success. The action-packed finale of the hit streaming drama has just been released. My interview with lead actor and producer of
the series, Hiroyuki Sanada, just ahead. A behind the scenes look at the streaming sensation as well as the prospects for season two. Stay with us.
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CHATTERLEY: Welcome back to "First Move." And a volatile session on Wall Street and a Meta meltdown topping today's "Money Move." U.S. stocks
closing Wednesday's session. Little change, though pressured by rising bond yields, but tech shares, however, we're able to post modest gains. Look.
it's 0.1 percent. We'll call that positive.
Tesla shares had their best day in more than a year, however, rising 12 percent. As we told you on yesterday's show, investors are revved up by
news that the firm is still working on that lower priced car.
But tech could come under pressure in the next session after the release of Meta's latest earnings report. Earnings and revenues from Facebook's parent
company topping expectations, but it actually posted weaker than expected sales guidance. And take a look at that reaction. Shares are down more than
16 percent in afterhours trade.
In the meantime, mostly higher across Asia, with Hong Kong stocks rallying over 2 percent for the second straight session, the Nikkei up well over 2
percent today, and we'll see what today's session brings.
In the meantime, Chipotle wrapping up another delicious quarter with some strong earnings results revenues coming in at $2.7 billion. That topped
expectations. It's net profit of just over $350 million was up more than 20 percent from a year earlier. The popular U.S. burrito chain has been
raising prices, but it seems customers are still willing to pay.
Here in New York, for comparison, a regular chicken burrito now around $12, including tax, in comparison, McDonald's Big Mac is less than $7. But then
you have to add up, of course, what the meal costs too. The stock is up. As you can see, a massive performance there over the past year. In extended
trade, its shares have jumped more than 60 percent over the past year.
Joining us now, Jack Hartung is the CFO of Chipotle Mexican Grill. Jack, always a pleasure to have you on the show. Your results seem to defy
inflation induced gravity each quarter, and that's what we're seeing from other restaurant brands. Tell me how you're managing it and how ruthless
you're being about costs.
JACK HARTUNG, CFO, CHIPOTLE MEXICAN GRILL: Yes, you know, from a cost standpoint, I would say things are in more of a normal environment. A
couple of years ago we saw raging inflation both from a labor standpoint and ingredients standpoint as well. I would say things are more normal.
Our inflation expectations for this year are generally in that low to mid- single digit range. You know, we have one exception where we have a little bit higher inflation in California because of wage increases there, but it
seems like it's very, very normal.
Our pricing, we did take a modest price increase at the end of last year, 3 percent. And we don't anticipate taking any more pricing this year at all.
And as a result, our customers, our transactions are very, very strong. We see our average check is increasing as well, because folks are adding sides
more than they have in the past.
And so, we feel like the folks that are coming to Chipotle, they love the customization. They love our food. Eat those. Our throughput is some of the
fastest throughput we've seen in a number of years, and we're still very, very affordable.
CHATTERLEY: I mean, you're also improving your margins rather than going in the other direction. And I just want to make sure I heard correctly there,
you're saying no further price increases this year or do you reserve the right perhaps to try depending on what we see?
HARTUNG: You know, it's possible that we would take one at the end of the year. We'll certainly take a look at it. But right now, we don't have any
plans. You mentioned, Julia, our margin is 27.5 percent. That's the highest we've seen in, you know, quite some time, especially for first quarter,
which normally isn't our peak margin season.
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So, from a health of our business, from a margin standpoint, we just don't see that we need to raise prices at this time. And as long as inflation of
both wages and ingredients stays relatively benign, I think we can carry through with that.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, it makes perfect sense. Talk to me about the fast act in California because you've hinted that as well. And just for our audience
that may not be familiar, that raised across most parts of the fast-food industry wages to -- or minimum wage to $20 an hour. What impact has that
had on you? Because I think you're seen as one of the brands that can perhaps manage that most easily compared to some of the smaller businesses.
Is it making an impact on hiring?
HARTUNG: Yes, so far not on hiring. We've got great staffing across the country and it's -- in particular in California. We already paid before
this increase. We paid typically at or above what others are paying. We also have terrific benefits. We have education benefits. We have debt free
degrees. We have a 401(k) program where we will match what you put in, but you can use that to pay off your student debt. We also have like health
care and mental health, you know, benefits as well.
So, we have a whole package that people really are attracted to. From just a weight standpoint, our wages did increase by about 20 percent or not
quite 20 percent. That's significant when labor is such an important part of our business. We did take a price increase of just 6 to 7 percent.
Now, Julia, that's not going to hold our margins. Our margins are going to decline as a result of this, but allowed us to at least break even on a
dollar basis. And so, we feel like that was the right thing to do. We still feel like we're very affordable in California. But we felt like we had to
at least take that modest price increase to offset the very significant increase of wages.
CHATTERLEY: Do you think it was the right decision that they made in order to raise prices this way? As you said, you're managing it, it is going to
have an impact on margins, but for others, you're sort of balancing business versus worker?
HARTUNG: You know, it's a great question, Julia. I mean, we'll be OK. We have very strong brand recognition. It's more of the little guys on the
franchisees, that's where it'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
If you're a small business owner, if you're a franchisee, you have who has debt payments to be made, and if you can't raise prices, or you can't raise
prices enough to offset this, it's going to put some pressure on them. Hopefully, that doesn't happen.
I mean, we're in the restaurant business and we want to win, but we don't want restaurant business to go out -- you know, to really go out of
business. We don't want small business owners to have to close their doors or restrict their hours. So, hopefully, everyone will be OK. But time will
tell.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, Jack, nice response. Community sensed response. Because, obviously, it's good for you, but not necessarily good for consumers, all
the workers. Jack, fantastic to have you with us as always. Jack Hartung, the CFO of Chipotle Mexican Grill. Congratulations once again on the work.
All right. Several neighborhoods in Kenya remaining submerged on Wednesday after another day of heavy rainfall in the East African nation. Some roads
in Nairobi were closed. Nationwide train services were suspended. On Tuesday, a U.N. agency said at least 32 people have died.
Chad Myers joins us now. Chad, some devastating flooding wherever you seem to be looking in the world. Just talk us through what we've seen there and
whether more is expected.
CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: It is. Absolutely, it is. They have two rainy seasons, one in the spring and one in the fall. It's when that
intertropical convergence zone gets right over these central African countries, and right here are just more rainfall coming down.
But look at the numbers here. Just in the past 72 hours, almost 300 millimeters in the city. And yes, over the past month, more than 300
millimeters. If you look at the percentages, we're looking at 150 to 200 percent of normal coming down. So, yes, it rains and yes, it floods. But
when you are 200 percent of normal, it's very little you can do about it.
And here's the first rainy season. This is spring, when the winds from the south and the winds from the north converge, they converge right over the
area right now. And then it moves away. And summer will be completely dry. And you will see cracked roadways and lawns that are just completely dead
and dry and brown. And then, all of a sudden, again, later on this fall, the rain comes back again.
But we're not supposed to have this much so fast. It's supposed to be a long, steady rain. We call these the long rains we're in, where the fall
are the short rains. Well, it has been long and it has been heavy and more rain is coming down tonight, coming down again tomorrow and again another
150 millimeters on top of the 300 that's already fallen.
Now, you can kind of do the math, and I know for people that don't use the metric system as much, it's kind of hard, but if you think about 100
millimeters of rain, that's four inches. So, when you talk 200 or 300, you take four and you make eight and then you make 12 inches of rain that have
already fallen and are going to continue to fall here.
Back toward China, East Asia. Good morning to you. The rains has really moved away from most of China for today, but it'll be back again for
tomorrow in this Delta area, the Pearl River Delta, more heavy rainfall coming in.
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This is Hong Kong and just north of there. Places that have already seen 300 millimeters, again, do the math, 12 inches of rain here. And so, it's
still going to be raining today, tomorrow, and into the weekend. And some spots here in purple, that's 250 to 300 millimeters. Another 12 inches on
top of places that are already flooding. Julia.
CHATTERLEY: Wow. One never wishes to wish one's life away, but I'm sure they can't wait to get through to next week.
MYERS: That's right.
CHATTERLEY: Through this weather. Chad, thank you. Chad Myers there.
All right. More "First Move" after this. Stay with us.
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CHATTERLEY: Welcome back to "First Move" with a look at more international headlines this hour. Hamas has released a video of Israeli-American
hostage, Hersh Goldberg-Polin. It's the first proof he survived serious injuries he has sustained during his capture from the Nova Music Festival
on October 7th. The clip is undated but contains references suggesting it was filmed this week.
The U.S. president has formally approved a $95 billion foreign aid package for Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan. President Biden called it a "good day" for
world peace as he signed the bill into law. It includes $61 billion for Ukraine, with the president saying military shipments are beginning right
away.
And we're waiting for the judge to issue his decision on whether Donald Trump violated the gag order in his criminal hush money trial. The former
president is barred from speaking publicly about both witnesses and jury members. The Manhattan trial will resume Thursday morning.
And the head of Japan Airlines, who started her career as a flight attendant, hopes more women will pursue top corporate roles.
Mitsuko Tottori is the first woman to lead the company. She's a trailblazer in Japan, which ranks last among G7 nations when it comes to women holding
senior positions.
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Hanako Montgomery spoke to the new airline president and she joins us now. Hanako, great to have you with us. And this is classic. She's not stepping
in at an easy time and it's often that women are put in these roles when the job is incredibly tough and then when people wonder why they struggle.
Give us a sense of the leadership vision she presents.
HANAKO MONTGOMERY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Julia. She really reinforced this idea and emphasized the fact that safety was of the utmost priority to
her. Of course, her post was announced just weeks after that horrible plane collision we saw on January 2nd when five Coast Guard crew members died
after colliding with a commercial flight from JAL.
So, that incident, she said, and of course, all of her experience as a flight attendant, right, a career that spans several decades, she said,
really reinforced and reaffirmed her belief that safety should be the number one priority for Japan Airlines going forward. Here's what she told
us.
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MONTGOMERY (voice-over): An entire plane swallowed by flames. Smoke and fear filled the cabin. These are the dramatic scenes from Japan that
unfolded on screens across the world when a Japan Airlines flight collided with a Coast Guard aircraft on the runway.
But mass tragedy was avoided that January night. Five Coast Guard crew members were killed, but all 379 aboard Commercial Flight 516 escaped
unscathed.
A miracle Mitsuko Tottori, Japan Airlines' incoming president, attributes to passenger cooperation and a well-trained crew.
MITSUKO TOTTORI, PRESIDENT, JAPAN AIRLINES (through translator): We are constantly updating our operations based on the lessons we have learned
from past case studies. I think we were able to put these lessons to the test.
MONTGOMERY (voice-over): But for Tottori, safety isn't just a priority, it's instinct. Starting as a flight attendant, she rose through the ranks
in a country where women hold less than 13 percent of senior and leadership roles, the lowest among G7 nations, according to the World Economic Forum.
She's now the first woman and former flight attendant to become JAL's president. But her rise, she says, shouldn't come as a surprise.
TOTTORI (through translator): I hope that Japan will soon become a place where people are not surprised when a woman becomes a president.
MONTGOMERY (voice-over): Tottori's remarkable career began in 1985, just four months before the deadliest single aircraft accident in aviation
history. JAL Flight 123 crashed and killed 520 people on board. Leaving just four survivors. And Tottori with the haunting reminder that safety is
irreplaceable.
TOTTORI (through translator): Safety must be a priority for everyone working at JAL. That important value has been engraved in my heart.
MONTGOMERY (voice-over): But her dedication to safety faces another critical test. Boeing, long a JAL partner, now grapples with mounting
allegations of neglecting aircraft safety and quality following alarming plane incidents in this month's Senate whistleblower hearing.
MONTGOMERY: Are you concerned at all about the whistleblower complaints regarding the gaps in quality and safety of Boeing airplanes?
TOTTORI (through translator): Well, it seems that the CEO has just changed. So, I'm not particularly concerned. I believe they will overcome this, and
I will continue to support, communicate with them.
MONTGOMERY (voice-over): Her faith in Boeing strong, but the manufacturer must prove that its aircrafts live up to her indispensable value.
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MONTGOMERY (on camera): So, Mitsuko Tottori, Julia, has a career that started in 1985 when she started as a flight attendant to now as CEO and
president of the company, which is really extraordinary.
And just to note, I think, you know, we talked about how she was the first woman to ever lead Japan Airlines, which is one of Japan's biggest airline
companies, but also, she's the first one with any experience as a flight attendant. Her predecessor had a background in maintenance, and the man who
came before him had experience as a pilot.
So, really, she has a remarkable career that is breaking boundaries and really setting an example for women in Japan, but also across the world.
Julia.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, shattering glass ceilings there. And to her point about seeing a female prime minister in Japan, our answer would be, Hanako, why
not? Hanako Montgomery, thank you so much for that great interview.
All right. Coming up after the break, we're staying with Japan.
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HIROYUKI SANADA, ACTOR AND PRODUCER, "SHOGUN": I'm Hiroyuki Sanada. You're watching "First Move."
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CHATTERLEY: Shogun superstar Hiroyuki Sanada joins us as we head back in time to feudal Japan for the epic conclusion of season one. That's next.
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CHATTERLEY: Welcome back. If you're a fan of the Japanese hit series "Shogun," chances are you may have cancelled your evening plans at some
point this week to catch the much-anticipated season finale. Shogun is being compared to such epic dramas as "Game of Thrones," "Succession," even
"House of Cards," and it was the most streamed TV premiere for a show developed by FX.
Well, I sat down with superstar actor and producer Hiroyuki Sanada, otherwise known as Lord Toranaga, about the role, the authentic showcase of
Japanese culture, and of course, the most important question, will there be a season two? Take a listen.
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SANADA (through translator): If I could use words like scattering flowers and falling leaves, what a bonfire my poems would make.
SANADA: My role, Toranaga has a real model in the history called Ieyasu. He stopped the war period and then created the peaceful era for about 260
years. That's why he became a hero. So, he was my own hero as well since I was a kid.
And then, now, I playing his role. He's mysterious and strategist, but also a human being, a family man as well. Not a stereotypical samurai. So, I
tried to, you know --
CHATTERLEY: That was like a Hollywood depiction of a samurai that you just did there, which actually is another part of it.
SANADA: So, we tried to make, you know, more authentic as much as possible.
CHATTERLEY: Actually, for me, that's the perfect word. The authenticity of this, whether it's to Japanese culture in some way, to Japanese history.
I just wonder whether that is part of the success actually of this series for some reason, and perhaps we look at the broader world and understand,
we're searching for purpose of life, loyalty, family.
SANADA: I believe so. Because this story is, you know, based on the novel and then fictional entertainment.
CHATTERLEY: But?
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SANADA: But, you know, to make the story and the character believable, we had to make authentic to focus on the drama. You know, if -- nowadays,
people knows about the Japanese culture much more than '80s and easy to research. So, we cannot, you know, make mistakes.
CHATTERLEY: But also, if you're not Japanese, you had to concentrate on this, because 70 percent of it, approximately, is in Japanese. So, you're
watching the story, but you're also having to read the subtitles too. It says something about a cultural shift in content consumption.
SANADA: And novel and original series in '80s was, you know, speaking Japanese, but no subtitles. So, experience as a foreigner.
CHATTERLEY: Yes.
SANADA: And then, what are they talking about? Right? That was '80s. But this time, we put more Japanese lenses into the script. And try to, you
know, showing the culture or detail characters more deeper and deeper. And then both sides, not only through the blue eyes, you know, but also, we
have Japanese eyes in the script.
CHATTERLEY: You help drive that too, not only is one of the main actors, but also as a producer. And I know and I've read that you drew on
relationships that you've made both in Japan, but also in the United States over the last, what, four decades. But you really created something here,
whether it was costume, mannerisms, again, that goes back to Japanese culture and provided that authenticity.
SANADA: Yes, yes. Since I started working in Hollywood, sometimes, you know, misunderstood our culture or -- you know, so I wanted to correct. The
language is also important culture. It's a kind of Shakespeare Japanese.
So hard to young actors to say it. Including Anna Sawai.
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ANNA SAWAI, ACTRESS, SHOGUN: To show your true heart is to risk your life.
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SANADA: She's done a great job. But it was her first samurai period drama. So, it was hard to her. So, I coached for young actors every day on set.
Luckily, we had a Japanese crew who has experience for the samurai drama making for a long time. So, I had a team. I felt relaxed and just do my
ordinary job acting like a reward.
CHATTERLEY: So, does this feel like a successful correction, to your point, about really actually, perhaps for the first time, getting something right
that wasn't filmed in Japan, it was filmed in Canada, but actually was true to Japanese culture and Japanese history?
SANADA: I had a pressure, of course, you know, carrying our culture, introduced to the world. But more than pressure, I felt so much fun every
day.
CHATTERLEY: What have your Japanese friends said having watched it? Do they love it too?
SANADA: Yes.
CHATTERLEY: Good. So, they 00
SANADA: Luckily, from the Japanese audience, you know, a great reaction. And then they said, we waited this kind of drama, authentic samurai drama
long time, they said. So, oh my goodness, you know.
CHATTERLEY: It was also and is a great showcase and platform for other Japanese talent, young Japanese talents. Who's the bright shining star, in
your mind, the one to watch?
SANADA: So many young actors in the show and then especially, you know, Hiroto Kanai played Omi.
CHATTERLEY: Yes.
SANADA: He's a great honest actor. And also, Moeka Hoshi played Fuji.
CHATTERLEY: Yes.
SANADA: Yes. Her performance was so touching.
CHATTERLEY: Magnetic.
SANADA: I'm so proud of them.
CHATTERLEY: How was Cosmo? Because Cosmo Jarvis, of course, plays Blackthorne.
SANADA: Yes.
CHATTERLEY: How was his Japanese, really?
SANADA: Too good. From the beginning.
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COSMO JARVIS, ACTOR, SHOGUN: These people are godless savages.
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SANADA: You know, he's a musician as well.
MONTGOMERY (on camera): Yes.
SANADA: It's a -- good ear he has.
CHATTERLEY: Oh, I see. Interesting.
SANADA: So, one lesson getting so good. So, I stopped the lesson to the dialect coach. No, no, no. Don't teach him much. It's episode one and two.
CHATTERLEY: Oh, yes. So, he has to struggle.
SANADA: He have to be -- yes, struggle. And he is a great actor, believable actor. And then he kept his accent of Blackthorne all the time. Since I met
him, first time, he already prepared his Blackthorne accent. So, I never hear his own original accent until the wrap.
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CHATTERLEY: Wow. So, he was in character the whole time?
SANADA: After the wrap, and then he, yes, back to normal, and, hey, Hiro, I don't know. Oh, this is real own accent. OK. So, he stayed in the
character, whole 11 months.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do not be fooled by our politeness. Our bows are made of rituals.
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CHATTERLEY: I'm on episode 9, by the way, and I'm at the Shakespearean tragedy stage. Because, obviously, I'm not going to spoil it for people who
haven't watched, but sad things happen in episode 9. How would you describe this series in Shakespearean terms? Is it a tragedy?
SANADA: Yes. Kind of tragedy. But in our culture and at that period, honorable death is very, you know, important and meaningful death is better
than just no meaning long life. That's the -- our philosophy at that time. So, it's looks like, yes, tragedy, but --
CHATTERLEY: With purpose.
SANADA: Yes. For the characters. Kind of happy ending.
CHATTERLEY: It's a book. It's derived from a book. It follows relatively closely. Is there going to be a series too? You have to tell us, because
there will be people, particularly once they've watched the final episode that are really weighing your words. So, speak carefully, my friend. Can
you give us hope of a series two?
SANADA: You know what, we used all the novel already.
CHATTERLEY: Yes, but?
SANADA: Oh, but we have real history.
CHATTERLEY: Right.
SANADA: We know what happened in real history. So, who knows?
CHATTERLEY: You're leaving the door open to a series two. You heard it here first.
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CHATTERLEY: Fun interview. OK. coming up, I can barely bring myself to read this, our Liverpool out of the Premier League title race. We'll have their
results on Wednesday night and all the analysis, despite my best efforts of wearing the right colors, next. Stay with us.
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CHATTERLEY: Welcome back to "First Move." Liverpool were in a three-team race for the top league of the Premier League table. Well, maybe not
anymore. The Reds suffered a painful defeat against Everton. Don Riddell joins me now. I think I heard my father's groans across the Atlantic, Don,
in a completely unbiased way. Can they still do it?
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DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: I know. This must have been a difficult evening for you. I'm not so sure they can do it. I mean, of all the teams
they could lose to at this stage of the season, Everton away at Goodison Park was about as bad as it could be. It was a really, really difficult
night for them.
Liverpool, as you know, Julia, have been kind of hemorrhaging points over the last few games. They've dropped now eight of a possible 12. That is not
championship form. And it's certainly not in a season where they're going up against two teams on such brilliant form. Manchester City, of course,
are the defending champions who seem to always come through at the end. Arsenal are playing brilliantly as well. Remember, they thrashed Chelsea
just 24 hours previously.
So, I think it's going to be so, so difficult for Liverpool to win this title. We can't write them off just yet, but given that they're up against
two such very good teams, it is getting harder and harder to see that Liverpool could find a way to win the title again.
CHATTERLEY: But never say never. That's it. Red shirts now for the rest of the season. Don, great to have you with us. Thank you for that report
there, Don Riddell.
And that just about wraps up the show. Thank you for joining us. I'll see you tomorrow.
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