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NATO Sends More Troops To Kosovo After Clashes; Drone Strikes Hit Both Kyiv And Moscow; Tech Leaders Warn Of "Extinction" Risk From Artificial Intelligence; Tehran Resumes Executing Protesters; North Korea To Launch Spy Satellite Despite Opposition; Brazil's Lula Meets With Venezuelan President Maduro; Tech Leaders Warn Of "Extinction" Risk From AI. Aired 2-3p ET
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ISA SOARES, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: A very warm welcome to the show everyone, I'm Isa Soares. Tonight, tensions are high in northern Kosovo as
protesters clash with NATO peacekeepers. I'll be speaking to Kosovo's prime minister in just a moment. Then, drone strikes hit both Kyiv and Moscow as
the Kremlin blamed Ukraine for the attacks inside Russia.
Plus, artificial intelligence poses the risk of extinction. That is the warning from tech experts. We'll look at why they are sounding the alarm.
But first, tonight NATO is deploying hundreds of additional troops to Kosovo after what it calls unacceptable and unprovoked attacks on its
peacekeepers there. NATO chief Jens Stoltenberg addressed the violence just a short time ago, urging leaders of Kosovo and Serbia to de-escalate the
situation and refrain from quite further irresponsible behavior, but at least, 30 NATO peacekeepers were wounded on Monday after being attacked by
ethnic Serbian protesters who tried to storm a town hall and block ethnic Albanian mayors from taking office.
The EU's foreign policy chief says the entire continent has a stake in defusing the crisis. Have a listen.
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JOSEP BORRELL, HIGH REPRESENTATIVE OF THE EUROPEAN UNION FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS & SECURITY POLICY: It has been too much violence. We have too much
violence in Europe already today. We cannot afford another conflict.
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SOARES: Well, the clashes happen in a Serb majority area of northern Kosovo, Serbs there like Serbia as a whole do not recognize Kosovo's
independence. And last month, Serbia's president urged them to boycott local election, saying they should no longer accept what he called a
foreign occupation. Barbie Nadeau tells us how those elections triggered the latest unrest.
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BARBIE NADEAU, CNN CONTRIBUTOR (voice-over): A flare up in a tinderbox. More than 30 NATO peacekeepers injured in clashes with Serb protesters in
northern Kosovo Monday. Among them, several Italians and Hungarians. NATO has condemned the attacks, saying they were, quote, "totally unacceptable".
The peacekeepers, known as KFOR have been present in this volatile region since 1999, in response to brutal ethnic cleansing of Albanians.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: U.N. Security Council passed a resolution --
NADEAU: A United Nations Security Council Resolution paved the way for Kosovo's independence from Serbia with NATO protecting the uneasy
transition.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (SPEAKING IN FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
NADEAU: Kosovo declared its independence from Serbia in 2008, when the ethnic Albanian majority took over the country. But Serbia did not
recognize Kosovo as a sovereign nation nor do ethnic Serbs who live in the north of the country, where Monday's violence sparked.
SERGEY LAVROV, FOREIGN MINISTER, RUSSIA (through translator): Nor does Russia, which has strongly backed Serbia over Kosovo.
NADEAU: The latest tension comes after ethnic Serbs boycotted an election in the northern part of Kosovo in April, leading to ethnic Albanians
governing the region. Serbia claims the Kosovo government is goading Serbs to clash with NATO.
ALEKSANDAR VUCIC, PRESIDENT, SERBIA (through translator): I am urging the Serbs in Kosovo not to get into a conflict with NATO, not because I am
afraid or because any of us are afraid, personally have anything to lose, but because that's what Kosovo's prime minister wants most.
NADEAU: As peacekeepers stand guard inspection today, whether the protesters here listen, could determine whether relative peace returns to
the region or if Europe has another conflict on the horizon. Barbie Latza Nadeau, CNN, Rome.
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SOARES: We want to get Kosovo's perspective on this very clearly tense situation that you saw there. We're joined now by the Prime Minister of
Kosovo, Albin Kurti, he's in Pristina tonight.
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Prime Minister, thank you very much for taking the time to speak to us this evening. Tensions have been simmering now in the north for some time. Just
explain to our viewers, prime minister, if you could, why you decided to send police forces and police units to the north of the country. Why did
you feel that was necessary, sir?
ALBIN KURTI, PRIME MINISTER, KOSOVO: On 5th of November last year, four mayors in the north, belonging to one Serbian political party, collectively
resigned. And in December, because security conditions were not in place, we decided to postpone early elections by four months. So finally, on 23rd
of April, we had them. The turnout was quite low because of the pressure, blackmail and threats from Belgrade to all Serbian citizens, and in
particular, those who were planning to run.
And now, we have four mayors whose legitimacy is low, but nonetheless, there is no one who is more legitimate than them. We have to have rule of
law. We are a democratic republic, and we have to ensure that in the municipal buildings, which are property of the republic, there will be
these Kosovan mayors who have been elected. On the other hand, we are facing not peaceful protesters, we're facing a mob of extremists.
We're facing ultra-nationalist right-wingers who are being paid and ordered from Belgrade, and who admire despotic President Putin. This is a fascist
militia who attacked our policemen and NATO soldiers, and journalists who were on the ground reporting there. Today is much calmer, because they did
not do attacks against our police and KFOR, but they nonetheless attacked a few journalists.
I want to have peace and security, but I believe that democracy and rule of law is the way forward. It is not possible in municipal buildings, not to
have elected mayors. Power in Kosovo cannot be gained by shock bombs and by crimes and by violence, only by elections.
SOARES: And sir, do you have any proof that those that are being sent, that those protests we were looking out there, some video which we're showing
our viewers, they did come from Serbia, they were sent by Serbia, the Putin allies. Do you have any of this evidence to show us?
KURTI: We have dozens of video footages and photos which show Serbian militia being in the frontlines of violent mob, and these are the people
that we have identified that come from Serbia. Some of them also come from the north of Kosovo, but some of them come from Serbia. And we are a
democratic, pro-European republic.
Our northern neighbor, Serbia, is a pro-Russian autocracy. So there is not much of democracy there. Even though they have elections, since they have
one party, one state, one leader, and they have ordered this so-called gerrymandering(ph), how they call them, to come and do riots in north of
Kosovo.
SOARES: Let's talk about your 2013 agreement, because your predecessor, from what I understand, and correct me if I'm wrong here, prime minister,
agreed to establish an association of Serbian municipalities, where Serbs, of course, are the majority, can be represented. Well, ten years later,
this hasn't happened. Why has this not happened, sir?
KURTI: We have an agreement now with Serbia. We call it basic treaty. President of Serbia and myself, under the auspices of High Representative
and VP Borrell and his special envoy for the Balkans, Lajcak, the text has 11 articles, six points in the preamble. We have an agreement. Part of this
agreement is also implementation of all previously-agreed deals of my predecessors.
There are 39 altogether. Two of them relate to the Association of Serb Majority municipalities, which, however, did not pass the test of our
constitutional court, because it is framed within the spirit of territorial ethnonationalism. I want to have self-management of Serbian community, as
the article seven of our basic treaty says, I don't neglect, and I do not deny previously-agreed documents, but that's not the only one.
We need a sequence implementation road map for the entire agreement that we have done in February this year.
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SOARES: But do you, and then understand why Serbs boycotted the election, why they feel under represented?
KURTI: We have Serbian communities in Kosovo which is 4 percent of population, 93 percent are Albanian, and the rest, 3 percent or other
minorities, Roma, Bosniak, Turks, Egyptians, Gorani, and we want to live in a multi-cultural society. But we cannot have a privileged minority, because
Belgrade is lamenting for loss of Kosovo in 1999, when NATO intervened to stop the genocide of regime of Milosevic.
SOARES: You --
KURTI: So, Kosovo is a success story of NATO intervention. That is what bothers both Belgrade and Kremlin.
SOARES: Borrell, Josep Borrell, who you mentioned there, prime minister, called on police to withdraw from their municipalities. Will you be
withdrawing police from these municipalities?
KURTI: Police should be in few of them in each municipality, like in every municipality in our republic. There are 38 municipalities altogether. But
if there is a violent mob --
SOARES: I'm talking about the north --
KURTI: Outside --
SOARES: I'm talking particularly about the north here --
KURTI: Yes, but --
SOARES: Where we have seen tensions --
KURTI: As long as there's --
SOARES: Continue to rise --
KURTI: A mob, as long as there's a violent mob outside of the building, I cannot have only few police men. I need to have police who will defend rule
of law, who will keep the order, peace and security, and municipalities should be for everyone. Not only for parallel structures of Serbia turned
into criminal gangs -- especially recently.
SOARES: And very quickly, Secretary Blinken tweeted, obviously, given what we have seen, the tensions escalating. He has called on you, I think, he
actually included you in this tweet, to halt what he calls these violent measures. "We strongly condemn the actions by the government of Kosovo that
are escalating tensions in the north and increasing instability, we call on the prime minister to immediately halt these violent measures."
What are you then, doing, sir, to stop this from escalating, if you're going to continue putting police on the ground in these municipalities?
KURTI: All international bodies did recognize elections that we had. Once you recognize the process of elections and its results, then mayors have to
go to municipalities. Who else should be in this municipality buildings, if not the mayors? And I'm working closely with international factors,
especially with United States and European Union, we consider both of them indispensable allies, friends and partners. And we will do our best. But I
am not surrendering democratic republic to fascist militia.
SOARES: Prime Minister Kurti, great to have you on the show, thank you very much sir.
KURTI: Thank you.
SOARES: Now, Serbian tennis star Novak Djokovic is using the international spotlight on the French Open to make a political statement on Kosovo, after
his first round victory on Monday. He wrote a message in Serbia -- in Serbian on a TV camera lens, reading "Kosovo is the heart of Serbia. Stop
the violence." Djokovic's father grew up in Zvecan; the town where the clashes took place.
Djokovic says he is against violence of any kind, but felt compelled to publicly give his support to the Serbian people. Of course, stay on top of
that story for you. Well, the sun is setting in Ukraine, where the capital Kyiv is preparing for more airstrikes. The city has faced three straight
nights of attacks, and explosion tore across the sky in the early morning hours as air defenses took on the latest Russian barrage.
It is the 17th time the capital has been attacked this month. This, as Russia reports Moscow is also under fire. Sam Kiley has the details now
from eastern Ukraine.
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SAM KILEY, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Same war, different capital. Moscow hit by a squadron of eight drones. "There was a
deafening bang, as if a huge bolt of lightning had struck somewhere near." The attack was immediately blamed on Ukraine, which reels daily from
Russian air assaults.
SERGEI SHOIGU, DEFENSE MINISTER, RUSSIA (through translator): This morning, the Kyiv regime carried out a terrorist attack on the Moscow region, and I
will stress aimed at civilian targets. In total, eight aeroplane high drones were used, all of them were brought down.
KILEY: Kyiv was coy about its role in this drastic escalation.
MYKHAILO PODOLYAK, UKRAINIAN PRESIDENTIAL ADVISER (through translator): Of course, we enjoy watching and predicting an increase in attacks, but of
course, we have nothing to do directly with it. What is growing in Russia is the comic payment that Russia will gradually pay more highly for
everything it does in Ukraine.
KILEY: Ukraine is threatening an offensive to drive Russian troops out. Part of its tactics have been increased efforts to destabilize Moscow's
forces.
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A cross-border raid by anti-Putin Russian dissidents was backed by Ukraine last week. Frequent attacks on Russian-occupied logistic hubs like Mariupol
and Berdiansk, and now there's a mysterious drone attack that Russia has blamed on Ukraine.
VLADIMIR PUTIN, PRESIDENT, RUSSIA (through translator): Though, I am more worried, not by this, but by efforts to provoke a Russian response, that
appears to be the aim. They are provoking us to do the same.
KILEY: But this is the first drone attack by anyone on Moscow outside the Kremlin.
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Here, Kyiv attacked for the 17th time this month. Putin's generals now know that they face attacks on Ukraine's frontlines and at home.
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SOARES: Well, we are also hearing claims that new cross-border shelling in Russia's Belgorod region -- very busy day. Let's get the latest from CNN's
Sam Kiley in eastern Ukraine who just filed that report. And our former Moscow bureau chief Jill Dougherty is live for us in Washington. And Sam,
to you first. Ukraine from what I understand has denied direct involvement over what happened in Moscow.
And it comes of course, on the heels of that cross-border incursion by anti-Putin groups that you and I spoke about. What has Kyiv been saying
about the drone attack on the Russian capital this evening?
KILEY: Well, they're saying that they didn't have direct responsibility, which gives them a bit of wiggle room. It's a little bit like if I could
interpret here what they mean, well, they're not dismayed that it's happened, and we may yet discover that they had a hand on it -- a hand in
it, in the same way that those cross-border raids by the Russian dissidents, they are members of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.
They take their orders certainly when they're in Ukraine from the Ukrainians, and they indeed coordinate their actions across the border with
the Ukrainians. So this is part of that grey zone war that we're seeing in a sense pioneered by Russia in this region when it sent a covert operative
to grab Crimea back in 2014. That's being turned around now, I think in anticipation of the ground war here.
So whether we're looking at the drone attacks in Moscow or cross-border raid, much closer to Ukraine in the Ukrainian northern border, what you're
looking at is destabilizing efforts against Russia ahead of this offensives.
SOARES: Yes, and meantime, Jill, on that note, I mean, this clearly was meant to rattle and send a message of capability. But do we know or what
are you hearing from the Kremlin side? Do we know the origin of these drones? What is the Kremlin saying this evening?
JILL DOUGHERTY, ADJUNCT PROFESSOR, GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY: Well, they're obviously blaming it on Ukraine. I did note that President Putin did come
out. It was a kind of a brief interview. And essentially, what he was trying to do, I think is kind of tamp down any concern, and essentially he
said, you know, the air defenses in Moscow worked well, more could be done, but in essence, don't worry.
And this is, I think the quandary for Putin right now. Because obviously, just the fact that the drones hit, even if they didn't carry out a lot of
destruction is a bad sign for Putin. It undermines the idea that he's protecting Russian civilians, and that the war simply is going according to
plan. And that's the expression heard all the time from President Putin, according to plan.
And yet, I think there's another side to this, obviously propaganda side is very big on both sides. But ultimately, if the Ukrainians are attacking
civilians, that creates kind of -- supports the idea from President Putin that, you know, the -- that's the objective. That it is wrong to hit
civilians, even though we know in Ukraine, Russia is hitting the civilians.
SOARES: Yes, and I'm guessing Muscovites, Jill, would have been, you know, seriously rattled by this. I mean, how much -- you mentioned an
embarrassment perhaps for authorities. But is there a growing insecurity in the country given what has happened in the last few months?
DOUGHERTY: Well, I mean, I think you have to say when it hits Moscow, it is a big deal.
SOARES: Yes --
DOUGHERTY: And the area that the drone hits according to some of the reports that we're seeing, and have to be confirmed, but it appears to be
downtown, but also in the areas west of the city where the elites live. I mean, the major -- you know, officials in the Putin government live in that
area, so that's significant.
And Putin even having to come out and say, don't worry, everything is under control, I think it's a sign of the concern.
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Because these are people who just had a drone come into their area. That's very disturbing. The war wasn't supposed to be fought in Moscow, you know,
they wanted in Ukraine.
SOARES: Yes, the war certainly coming closer to home. Jill Dougherty and Sam Kiley, thank you to you both, important context there. Well, the U.S.
debt ceiling deal is about to face its first major obstacle in the Capitol Hill. In about an hour from now, a House Rules Committee will decide
whether to send the bill to the house floor.
If it does pass, the full house is expected to vote on it on Wednesday. But many lawmakers on both sides of the aisle aren't happy with a deal.
Meanwhile, U.S. President Joe Biden and Republican House Speaker Kevin McCarthy are having to scramble to get support days, of course, before the
deadline has been pushed back to June 5th. Let's go to our Capitol Hill reporter Melanie Zanona. Melanie, first major hurdle, had it passed?
MELANIE ZANONA, CNN CAPITOL HILL REPORTER: Yes, that is the question right now. And usually, the House Rules Committee is stacked full of allies of
leadership. But in his quest to become speaker, Kevin McCarthy made a deal to stack the committee with three hard-line conservatives, and two of them,
Chip Roy and Ralph Norman are already signaling that they're prepared to vote against the rule in committee.
Now, all eyes are on that third Republican, his name is Thomas Massie, he's a conservative, he has not yet said how he plans to vote on the rule. We
did see him going into the speaker's office moments ago, he declined to comment on how he plans to vote. But the expectation, according to sources
is that, he will ultimately back the rule which will allow it to go to the house floor.
Which means that they have cleared at least one hurdle. So that will be a big sigh of relief for Republican leaders. But as you mentioned, this is
only part of the battle. They still need to get this bill through the house floor. And there's opposition both on the far right and to the far left.
And in fact, a group of hard-line conservatives known as the House Freedom Caucus held a press conference early today, and they are trying to rally
opposition against the bill. Take a listen.
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REP. CHIP ROY (R-TX): We will continue to fight it today, tomorrow, and no matter what happens, there's going to be a reckoning about what just
occurred unless we stop this bill by tomorrow.
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ZANONA: Now, Kevin McCarthy said he is still confident that he is going to be able to get this bill passed in the house, there's going to be
democratic support as well to make up for this affections on the right. But the other question is whether his speakership is safe, because
conservatives are already threatening to potentially try to force a vote on ousting him from the speakership.
But again, Speaker Kevin McCarthy a little bit ago, telling reporters he's not worried about his speakership being in jeopardy.
SOARES: Melanie Zanona, appreciate it, thank you very much. And still to come tonight, new details on a fatal boat capsizing in Italy. We'll tell
you about what we know about the victims. Plus, answering dissent with death. Iran resumes its execution of protesters. Those stories after this
short break.
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SOARES: Now, we are getting new details on the boat accident in northern Italy on Sunday that left four people dead, two victims were active Italian
Secret Service agents, a retired employee of the Israeli security forces and the boat captain's partner was also among the victims. Our Scott McLean
joins me now with more details that are coming in. And there are -- you know, we've got very few details here, Scott. So just talk us through what
you know, what you're hearing from authorities?
SCOTT MCLEAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, this is a very strange one. What we know is that Sunday night, a 16 meter, 52-foot long houseboat set sail on
Lake Maggiore, it's outside of Milan, it had 24 people on board, two of them were crew members, there were no official weather warnings at the
time, and yet, this boat managed to get swept up in what Italian media is describing as sort of out-of-the-blue water spout, and out-of-the-blue
funnel cloud causing it to capsize.
And so, 20 survivors, some of them managed to reach shore, others were rescued, four bodies have been recovered. And as of this morning, the
priority was to try to get that boat off the bottom of the lake. Adding to the mystery, though, Is what you mentioned, which is that two of the
victims here were active Italian Secret Service agents, meaning they were intelligence officials.
Another one, a third was a retired employee of the Israeli security forces, that's according to the foreign ministry there. Israeli ministry -- Israeli
media is also saying that look, this guy wasn't even supposed to be there at all. He was actually supposed to be on a flight, he missed it. That was
the only reason that he was on this boat in the first place.
The investigation, because of the involvement in these Secret Service agents is now also involving the military police in Italy, because it may
involve state secrets. The captain of the boat is also under investigation, the captain's girlfriend was killed actually --
SOARES: Why is the investigation because of too many people in this boat --
MCLEAN: Exactly, casting, the boat was 16 --
SOARES: Yes --
MCLEAN: There was 24 on board. What other thing to mention in that is about the weather. And that is that, there was no official warning. But what
there was at the time was a watch. Which meant -- which means that essentially that there could be high winds, there could be heavy rains, but
it's not like this is definitely going to happen.
It's just kind of -- more like a beware, more of a yellow warning than a blinking red warning. And so, it turns out there was lightning spotted in
the area, there was heavy rain, there was severe wind, but again, this was not an official warning because they didn't know a 100 percent that it was
going to happen. But obviously, there was this storm system coming through --
SOARES: So, perhaps, an accident? It's very early to tell.
MCLEAN: Yes, I mean, it doesn't seem at this point that the prosecutor is investigating anything other than the fact that the boat was overloaded,
what happened beyond that, obviously, we don't know the specific circumstances other than the weather was not good.
SOARES: I know you'll stay on top of it, thank you very much, Scott --
MCLEAN: Yes --
SOARES: I appreciated it. Well, staying on secret agents. An alleged Russian spy has reached Swedish waters, and it isn't human. This same
Beluga whale had made headlines in 2019 for being spotted with a harness off the coast of Norway. A nonprofit tracking its movement said he recently
left Sweden after spending time near Oslo. It's thanking Sweden for caring for the whale and even closing a bridge to protect it.
And still to come tonight, Iran's execution machine grinds back into action. Three more protesters have lost their lives at the hands of the
government this month. And more are at risk. We'll bring you that story. Plus, renewed outrage over violence against women in India after a teenage
girl was stabbed and bludgeoned to death in public.
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SOARES: Welcome back, everyone.
Demonstrators in Iran have eased since late last year. But authorities there are not giving an inch to anyone showing dissent. Human rights groups
say the government has begun executing protesters once again. Salma Abdelaziz has the details for you.
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SALMA ABDELAZIZ, CNN REPORTER (voice-over): Outside of jail near Tehran, families of prisoners gathered chant, "Do not hang them."
Their pleas come as Iran resumes the execution of protesters after a months-long hiatus.
The brutal practice restarted this month with the hanging of three young men accused of killing three members of the security forces during
antigovernment protests in November.
The news sparked more demonstrations. But activist and human rights groups say the allegations against the trio are baseless.
Majid Kazemi was forced to watch video of interrogators torturing his brother and he was subjected to at least 15 mock executions according to
Amnesty International.
In an audio note obtained by the organization, he maintained his innocence. CNN cannot independently verify the clip.
"They kept beating me and ordering me to say, 'This weapon is mine,'" he says.
"I told them I would say whatever they wanted, just please leave my family alone."
Before his execution, the family of 36-year-old Saleh Mirhashemi, a karate coach from Isfahan, tried to draw attention to his plight. This picture of
his father spread on social media.
"My son is innocent," the sign reads.
But to no avail, activists shared this heartbreaking video they say is Mirhashemi's dad, hugging his picture as he lay by his son's grave.
Iran has not responded to CNN's request for comment.
The total number of demonstrators known to have been executed since last year now stands at seven, according to CNN reporting and more executions
are likely imminent.
"Over 100 protesters have been sentenced to death or are facing charges punishable by death," says this human rights activist.
MAHMOOD AMIRY-MOGHADDAM, DIRECTOR, IRAN HUMAN RIGHTS NGO: When authorities fear protests or right after protests, number of executions go up. The aim
is to create fear in the society to prevent more protests.
ABDELAZIZ: Do you expect that the number of executions is going to rise even more this year?
AMIRY-MOGHADDAM: It is rising already. Unless the international community takes strong move against these executions, we might be facing a very large
number of executions in the coming months.
ABDELAZIZ (voice-over): Rights groups say that Mohammad Ghobadlou, a 22- year-old protester with a mental health issue, could be one of the next victims of Iran's execution machine.
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ABDELAZIZ (voice-over): Activists are ringing the alarm. They say yet another Iranian faces death just for daring to speak out -- Salma
Abdelaziz, CNN, London.
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SOARES: In India, a 16 year old girl was brutally murdered in public Sunday, in a busy alleyway. All of it caught on security camera, including
people walking by and doing absolutely nothing to help her. CNN's Vedika Sud reports the incident is reigniting outrage over violence against women
in India, which has become all too commonplace.
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VEDIKA SUD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Surveillance video catches a Delhi street on Sunday evening. What the man in blue is about to do is too
violent to be shown. In the next moment, a 16-year-old girl's life is taken. Stabbed and bludgeoned with a rock against the wall of her house.
Witnesses passed by but no one intervenes.
SUD: Violence against women is so pervasive in India that a young girl can be stabbed in public in a busy neighborhood, against the wall of her home.
SUD (voice-over): The killing of this teenage girl is the latest in a long line of violent crimes against women in India. This time, it's on film.
She had rapidly online and it has gripped the nation. The man in blue has been arrested for the murder and named by police. Simply Asahil (ph). They
say the two were in a relationship and had an argument shortly before the killing.
The family pleading for justice, even as across India, demands grow to do more to protect women and punish their male attackers. But public anger is
no comfort to a family stricken by grief at the loss of their child.
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GENEK RAJ, VICTIM'S FATHER (through translator): I feel lifeless. I miss her so much. She was such a good child.
What to do?
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SUD (voice-over): Her mother, inconsolable, as her daughter was cremated Monday.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): She went to the bazaar to buy some things and then went to celebrate a friend's birthday. She had gone to
buy some new sandals for the birthday. The sandals are now at the police station.
SUD (voice-over): Life continues in this poor neighborhood in northwest Delhi. Investigators have marked a small cross in the place where the young
girl was killed, one more place where women aren't safe from men -- Vedika Sud, CNN, New Delhi.
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SOARES: Just horrific.
In Mississippi, the mother of an 11 year old boy wrongfully shot by police has filed a federal lawsuit on her son's behalf. The suit seeks $5 million
and was filed against the city of (INAUDIBLE) as the police chief and the officers involved in Aderrien Murry's shooting.
He was shot, if you remember, early this month, after he called 9-1-1, trying to get help for his mother in a domestic disturbance. He suffered
fractured ribs and a lacerated liver and was put on a ventilator after his lung collapsed. He was released from the hospital last week but trauma from
the incident is still playing out for him.
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ADERRIEN MURRY, POLICE SHOOTING VICTIM: Sometimes I can see myself laying inside the coffin. Those are my thoughts at night, my only ones. And
sometimes, I think people are watching me. But my main thought is me dead.
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SOARES: A strong little boy.
The officer involved in the shooting is on paid administrative leave while the incident is being investigated. We will stay on top of that story for
you.
And still to come tonight, China launches its first civilian astronaut into space, with an eye on expanding its space program. We'll have the details
for you next.
Plus South American leaders are gathering for the first time since 2015 as Brazil's president tries to revive a regional union.
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SOARES: A Chinese mission launched to its space station has arrived. It has been called a complete success. A crew of three astronauts from China
reached the country's space station after this morning's launch. This is China's first space mission with a civilian astronaut been on board.
Despite protests from its neighbors, North Korea says it will launch its first military spy satellite next month. According to state media, the
launch is in response to dangerous military acts from the United States and South Korea.
Meanwhile, Japan has warned Pyongyang it will use extreme force if the North Korean missile lands in its territory.
About a dozen South American leaders are meeting in the Brazilian capital right now. It is their first regional summit in nearly a decade. Brazil's
president Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva is trying to coordinate with his counterparts on issues like climate, as well as the economy.
He had been part of a previous attempt for regional cooperation, the first time he led Brazil. He's now calling for a common currency within the trade
bloc. I want to bring in journalist Stefano Pozzebon with more on this.
Stefano, while there's a lot of discussion on what policy, what can be achieved, the attention has focused on Lula rolling out the red carpet for
Nicolas Maduro.
How has that been received?
STEFANO POZZEBON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, it's fair to say that the meeting itself was overshadowed by Maduro's presence. The meeting was meant to show
a signal that Brazil is back. Brazil, because of the size of its economy, the country itself aims to be a leader in South America.
Lula, as the most popular and most known president among those who are attending the summit in Brasilia aims to be the leader. But the summit was
overshadowed by Maduro's presence.
It's the first time that we are seeing Maduro in a high level regional summit, back to the forefront of diplomacy since the 2019 Venezuelan
constitutional crisis and the violent cycle of protests and repression that followed. It's a little bit like Bashar al-Assad two weeks ago, being
invited to the Arab League summit.
And seeing these authoritarian leaders and strongmen back at the center of the international conversation, it has drawn a lot of scrutiny, especially
because of the remarks that Lula himself gave while welcoming Maduro.
He talked about prejudice against Venezuela and even said there is a constructed narrative against the Venezuelan government, notwithstanding
that Maduro and his human rights abuse and his government have committed. Isa.
SOARES: There is no constructive narrative, that we know. You've covered and I've covered it. It's a brutal dictatorship, the U.N. has recognized
that. And Lula may say, I'm just giving him legitimacy.
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SOARES: But let's focus on the other areas of policy here. Lula now calling for a common currency here. Not the first time, Stefano, that we've heard
of this idea.
POZZEBON: No.
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POZZEBON: I've been here seven years and I think this is already the third time that someone tells me that South America should have a common
currency. Of course, it is -- it will happen, maybe, in the future. It took 60 years to get the European Union to get everyone on board with the euro.
And thankfully, we know the success that the European currency is in Europe. But here in South America, the road is far away before
accomplishing this objective.
We have asked the U.S. Department of State about Maduro's presence. They say that they will get back to us and of course lots of scrutiny. Just
before you let me go, I want to give you an opinion from a good friend, who is a journalist in Venezuela, who told me this morning to deconstruct the
narrative, we must reconstruct democracy before.
So I think that's a good way to describe what is happening right now.
SOARES: And for that, you need elections, free and fair elections in Venezuela. Thank you very much, Stefano. We appreciate it. Thank you very
much.
As Lula da Silva tries to focus on diplomacy, he's facing domestic issues, too.
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SOARES (voice-over): Bow and arrow versus tear gas. You can see indigenous groups facing off against riot police on the highway leading into Sao
Paulo. Indigenous people protesting this week against legislation that they fear would end protections of some ancestral land.
The bill is designed to end land conflicts between the groups.
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SOARES: Still to come tonight, warnings of human annihilation. It sounds like something out of a sci-fi novel. We'll have more on what has tech
leaders worried next.
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SOARES: Leaders, academics and even celebrities are arguing that artificial intelligence could lead to extinction. They have signed a statement calling
for AI regulation --
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SOARES: -- putting the threat up there with global pandemics and nuclear wars. They say it should be a top global priority.
While society is still a long way from the AI we see in science fiction and movies, these leaders are pushing for checks before any major mishaps
occur. I want to bring in the president of the Future of Life Institute, Max Tegmark, who created the first open letter about AI regulation, back in
March.
Max, great to have you on the show. Such an important conversation. And one in fact that we've been having for quite some time here on the show. We
have been seeing more calls for regulation, for more checks and balances. Talk us through what you believe is needed.
MAX TEGMARK, PRESIDENT, FUTURE OF LIFE INSTITUTE: Yes, many people including myself have warned for a long time that there's a risk of
extinction if we lose control of entities much smarter than us.
What's really new today is that this is being mainstreamed. We have the CEOs of DeepMind, OpenAI, top researchers saying, yes, extinction is a
thing and we should all feel safe talking about it.
The first thing that's needed frankly is precisely to give everybody else the confidence to join this conversation without fear of getting mocked or
dismissed.
The U.S. Senate hearings we had just the other week, you can tell that no politicians asked about extinction because they were afraid of face
planting, of making fools of themselves like some politicians did when they interviewed Mark Zuckerberg.
Now we can actually start talking about it for real. And figure out what we need to do to avoid these problems.
We are talking about it for real now.
SOARES: But governments might not be doing enough.
So why are governments opposed to this?
Why the complacency, given the warnings we have been hearing for some time now?
TEGMARK: Well, part of it is what you said at the beginning. The perception that very powerful AI is still very far off. Everybody used to think that
until quite recently. Maybe 50 years off or so.
Now it's increasingly clear that it could happen very soon. Artificial general intelligence, which is definitely the stuff that sci-fi movies were
made out of, we may get it later this year. We may get it in two years. Microsoft itself has a paper out, talking about sparks of artificial
general intelligence.
Now of course, it's pretty obvious that we might go extinct if we lose control of this, to more intelligent entities because that is exactly what
happened to about half of Earth's species so far, that we humans have driven extinct. They couldn't prevent it, because we humans were smarter
than them.
And we don't want to put humanity in that same situation. It's all about control.
How can we make sure that humanity doesn't lose control of what we've built?
And biology has to figure out how to solve it. So that's the good news.
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SOARES: Let's talk about control. Given the pace that we've seen of progress, we've seen essays being written by ChatGPT; photos, we have a
photo of the pope in a puffer jacket. That was fabricated. And so many other examples, of course.
How then do you regulate it?
Where do you start?
TEGMARK: Those are all great and very important things-- job loss, disinformation, fakes. But we should also keep our eye on the fact that we
might actually lose control entirely by doing things that are too risky.
So what I think we need to do is look at how biotech has handled this. And biotech companies have to prove to government experts that their stuff is
safe before they can release it.
And that is how it needs to become in AI as well. Instead of the way it is today, when companies can do more or less whatever they want and then
regulators play catch-up.
SOARES: And, Max, I was hearing something from Eric Schmidt. I think we've got enough time to play it. But he doesn't believe that AI Is inherently
good or bad. Have a listen to this.
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ERIC SCHMIDT, FORMER CHAIR AND CEO, GOOGLE: AI itself is an extraordinary achievement. The development of an AI doctor and an AI tutor and so forth
will raise intelligence capabilities all around the world.
So please don't hear that this is a reason to stop or whatever. We just have to manage it. When electricity showed up, people understood it was
dangerous. Thank God, they didn't stop electricity. They just figured out a way to live with it.
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SOARES: Do you agree, Max?
It is about managing it.
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TEGMARK: AI Is a tool, it's not evil. And it's not morally good. It's up to us to make sure we use it for the good things. But we can't just tell the
companies to go away and self regulate.
The reason that the CEOs of these companies themselves signed this and said, yes, this could drive us extinct, is because they are calling for
help from society to level the playing field and make sure that they all have safety standards in place.
No company, no matter how good hearted their leaders are, can pause alone and just have their lunch eaten by the competition. And what's so great
about taking extinction seriously, is it really changes the incentives entirely.
For the first time, even China and the West now have exactly the same incentives, to make sure everything is safe and that humanity stays in
control. It doesn't matter if you're Chinese or British or American once you're extinct. We're on the same team here.
SOARES: Indeed. It's really great to get your perspective and insight. Thanks very, much Max.
TEGMARK: Thank you.
SOARES: And that does it for us for tonight. Thank you very much for your company. Stay right here, "QUEST MEANS BUSINESS" is up after the short
break and I will see you tomorrow. Have a wonderful day, goodbye.
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