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President Biden Says He Has Made A Decision About The Attacks On U.S. Service Members In Jordan; At Least 25 Civilians Killed And Several Others Injured In An Israeli Shelling; Israeli Special Forces Disguised As Civilians And Medical Workers Infiltrate A Hospital In Jenin; Republican Hardliners Move To Impeach DHS Secretary Mayorkas; Political Turmoil Builds Up Again In Venezuela; LBGTQ Plus Community In Nigeria Faces Dangerous "Keto" Trend; Farmers Across Paris Protest Low Pay And Excessive Government Regulation; Neuralink Implants Chip Into Human's Brain; Stolen Painting Of More Than 50 Years Ago By New Jersey Mobsters Returns To Its Rightful Owner. Aired 12-1p ET
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BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN INTERNATIONAL HOST: Hello everyone live from New York. I'm Bianna Golodryga. Zain is off today. You are watching "One
World". U.S. President Joe Biden says that he's made a decision about the attacks on U.S. service members in Jordan.
Earlier on Tuesday, he was asked by CNN's Arlette Saenz if he had decided on a response. The President said that he has, but did not share any
details. The U.S. blames Iran-backed militias, so President Biden thinks Iran should share the blame.
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JOE BIDEN, U.S. PRESIDENT: I do hold them responsible in the sense that they're supplying the weapons to the people who did it."
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GOLODRYGA: The three were killed when their outpost near the Jordan-Syria border was attacked by a drone. Specialists Kennedy Sanders, Specialist
Brianna Moffat, and Sergeant William Rivers all hailed from Georgia. Sergeant Rivers' widow says she didn't know her husband was in Jordan until
the Army had told her that he died. Thank them all for their service.
Meantime in Gaza City, the Palestinian state news agency says at least 25 civilians were killed and several others injured when a family home was hit
by Israeli shelling Monday. CNN cannot confirm that reporting. But the IDF has confirmed that it once again is operating in northern Gaza.
The Israeli military says it's fighting pockets of resistance three weeks after declaring Hamas command structures dismantled there. And Israeli
protesters are again blocking aid trucks en route to Gaza. They're demanding that humanitarian aid only be delivered in exchange for the
release of the hostages.
Well, as activists push for the hostages to be freed, Hamas has been presented with what's being described as a broad framework for a potential
deal with Israel.
An official says that it was agreed to among negotiators in Paris this past weekend and calls for the release of hostages and a pause in fighting.
Hamas says that it is studying the new proposal but stresses the complete withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza is still its highest priority.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu however bows that his country quote, will not release thousands of terrorists as part of any deal.
It comes as the families of several American hostages are expected at the White House today where they will meet with National Security Advisor Jake
Sullivan. CNN's Chief National Security Correspondent Alex Marquardt is live in Washington with the latest for us.
So, Alex, we've been here before. We've come close to deals and they've fallen apart. This one seems to have been making a lot of inroads here. We
had the CIA Director meeting with other negotiators over the weekend. Give us the details of this framework.
ALEX MARQUARDT, CNN CHIEF NATIONAL SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Well, Bianna, there does appear to be momentum and optimism about what could happen.
While at the same time there is caution that this is not a done deal, that there is still a lot that needs to be ironed out before getting this deal
across the finish line.
But certainly this has been gathering steam, essentially culminating with this Sunday meeting between the CIA Director, his Israeli and Egyptian
counterparts, and the Qatari Prime Minister.
And so, what we understand is that there is now this broad framework that has been agreed to by those parties who met in Paris that has now been
presented to Hamas. They are awaiting this response from Hamas. But what this would look like if it were to be implemented is essentially a first
phase that would be about a six-week truce during which time civilian hostages would be released, who are still being held in Gaza.
At the same time, three times as many Palestinian prisoners would be released. That's the same ratio, three to one, Bianna, that we saw during
the last hostage release. And then there would be another phase where the IDF soldiers who are being held, both the men and the women, as well as
bodies of hostages who are being held that were either brought into Gaza on October 7th or have been killed in Gaza since October 7th, they would also
be released.
But there is an expectation, Bianna, that Hamas would demand a much higher ratio of prisoners to be released from Israeli prisons in exchange for
those IDF soldiers, who of course Hamas believes to be much more valuable. So, Hamas saying that they are studying this proposal. They have also
demanded that what they call the Israeli aggression end and that IDF soldiers leave the Gaza Strip.
So, there you can see the major sticking points where Hamas wants an end to this war. Israel is not committing to ending its war against Hamas.
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At the same time, we are hearing optimism from the parties involved that they are moving towards a potential agreement. Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: And Prime Minister Netanyahu, as mentioned in the introduction to you, saying just hours ago that Israel will not release thousands of
Palestinian prisoners, given this specific framework with three for one, does that seem like that is a different scenario that he may be willing to
agree to?
MARQUARDT: Well, I think this is where we get into some of the difficulties. I think the easy part, if you will, is going to be getting
the civilians released, that Hamas will be most willing to release those civilians and get three prisoners for every one civilian. But then there is
an expectation from sources I speak to that Hamas is going to ask for a lot of Palestinian prisoners, if not all of them.
There has been speculation about what's been called an all-for-all deal, where all of the hostages or more than 100 who are being held in Gaza would
then be released in exchange for all of the prisoners in Israeli prisons and there are around 6000 of them, and many of them, according to Israel,
have blood on their hands.
And so, that would be a very tough pill to swallow for Israel. And essentially what we have here is Prime Minister Netanyahu trying to nip
this in the bud saying, that's not going to happen. Hamas can make that demand, but we're not going to release these thousands of prisoners he's
called the murderers and rapists in the past.
So, that's where you could you could see a deal falling apart. And there is a potential for this deal to get underway with civilian releases and a
pause in the fighting and then get bogged down later on when it comes to the release of those IDF soldiers and the more sensitive Palestinian
prisoners, if you will.
GOLODRYGA: And as we've noted the pressure on the Prime Minister and his cabinet to do something to reach some sort of deal to get these hostages
released is continuing by the day as you see protests day in, day out in Israel. And as we noted, the family members of some of the six Americans
that are currently held in Gaza will be meeting with Jake Sullivan today, as well. Alex Marquardt, thank you so much. Good to see you.
We'll now do a dramatic undercover raid in the occupied West Bank.
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GOLODRYGA: You're looking at Israeli special forces disguised as civilians and medical workers infiltrating a hospital in Jenin earlier Tuesday.
Officials on both sides say the IDF killed three Palestinian men. The Israeli military says they were terrorists. Hamas' military wing
acknowledged that one of them was a member and hailed all three as fighter martyrs.
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CNN's Senior International Correspondent Ben Wedeman is live in Beirut for us. Ben, you were at that same hospital back in November. Walk us through
what we're seeing in the video and what the IDF is saying about this raid.
BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, Bianna, What you're seeing is this CCTV video shot at 5:45 A.M. on the third floor of
the Ibn Sina hospital in Jenin in the northern West Bank. Now, that hospital is within walking distance of the Jenin refugee camp, which has
been the scene of dozens of Israeli incursions over the last few months.
Now, what you see is perhaps a dozen Israeli special forces members. Some dressed as medical personnel, some dressed as women, other as civilians.
With a wheelchair, one is carrying a baby's car seat on the third floor. They bring out their guns. We understand that they went to this room where
these three men were staying.
The Israelis say that their target was Mohammed Jalamna, who of course is a Hamas itself is said is a member of the Jenin brigades. That's a thunder,
by the way. That's just thunder. And therefore -- and so all three of them are members of the Jenin brigades.
Anyway, one of them, Basel El-Hazawi, was in the hospital because he was injured last October on an Israeli air raid on the Jenin refugee camp. And
according to doctors at the hospital, was partially paralyzed in the lower body. Now, what we've seen are pictures of the pillow on the bed he was at
and you can see that he was shot in the head point blank range.
Now, the Israelis say that these three men were planning an imminent attack, that they were a so-called ticking time bomb. The Israelis claimed
and showed some of a photograph of a weapon they said was found within the hotel room.
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But as I said, it's hard to imagine how somebody who's partially paralyzed in bed is going to carry out an operation. Now, this brings to 381, the
number of Palestinians who have been killed in the West Bank since the 7th of October. Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Ben Wedeman reporting live for us from Beirut, Lebanon. Thank you so much. Well, turning now to the fallout over
allegations, some staff members, the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees took part in the October 7th terror attacks.
We are learning new details about these allegations as some U.N. officials warn the scandal is now threatening UNRWA's humanitarian work. Nic
Robertson has details.
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NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: More than 110 days into the ugly war Hamas' brutal attack triggered, Israeli allegations 13 U.N.
staff took part are themselves threatening to bring more suffering. According to a document shared with CNN, six UNRWA employees infiltrated
Israel as part of the attack.
Four were involved in kidnapping Israelis, and three additional UNRWA employees were, quote, "invited via an SMS text message to arrive at an
assembly area in the night before the attack and were directed to equip with weapons", although it's not known if they showed up.
Israeli officials briefed U.S. counterparts Friday, who quickly paused UNRWA's funding. A dozen other countries have followed raising concerns the
agency's absence could escalate suffering in Gaza.
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JAN EGELAND, NORWEGIAN REFUGEE COUNCIL: The impact will be devastating of cutting aid to the organization that is the backbone of services to
Palestinian civilians. There is no other organization including my own, we're all there in Gaza, that could take over what UNRWA is doing.
UNRWA is the only organization bringing aid into Gaza. Most of Gaza's two million residents depend on them. They provide food, water and shelter.
Desperation already so bad, aid trucks often looted before they reach warehouses. A cut-in funding here is feared on a par with Israel's bombs.
This will mean more starvation, poverty and deprivation. This university professor tells us, which ultimately means more death. This decision means
killing us -- killing the human being, she says. This is a death sentence. This is the only thing we live on, and you want to cut it?
UNRWA has fired nine staff over the allegations and is investigating two others. One person is dead. The U.N. promising a comprehensive and
transparent investigation. Israel's foreign minister is calling for UNRWA's director, Philippe Lazzarini, to step down and cancel a meeting with him
Monday, as other government lawmakers press for scrapping UNRWA altogether, a long-held aim for some.
DANNY DANON, LIKUD KNESSET MEMBER: For many years we have said that UNRWA is involved with terrorism. They collaborated with Hamas for generations.
The U.N. is in charge of the UNHCR which takes care of all the refugees worldwide. Why do you need a special agency for the Palestinian refugees?
ROBERTSON: Egeland points to the ICJ ruling Israel must enable humanitarian aid for Gaza.
EGELAND: There will be epidemic disease because of this, unless it is reversed. The stakes are enormous here. And I'm very disappointed with
these donors who spent zero time in suspending aid to an entire organization for the sins of a few staff.
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GOLODRYGA: And Nic Robertson joins us live from Tel Aviv. And that, I guess, is the crux of the issue. You hear from some who say this is just a
few bad apples that will be investigated. Some say this is a systemic problem. And in the meantime, you have an organization whose budget is
largely dependent on Western donations.
The U.S. itself, I think, provided over $300 million to UNRWA last year. What is the response from the Israeli government in terms of, if not UNRWA,
then who will provide this aid?
ROBERTSON (on-camera): Well, they're definitely saying it shouldn't be UNRWA. A government spokesman talked at length about this today. And to the
point you were making about not a few bad apples, he described it this way. It's not a few bad apples. It's got rot, and the rot goes all the way to
the root, or the rot is in the root. He's indicating that the leadership, the Director, of UNRWA should be fired, that UNRWA itself is not fit for
task.
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He described something, a situation where of 12,000 UNRWA employees, 1,200 he said were members of Hamas. Half of that would be 10 percent, one in 10.
And half of them, those people who work for UNRWA have family members, first-line family members who are in Hamas.
Now, these are statistics that we can't independently verify ourselves, and UNRWA hasn't responded to these comments by the Israeli government. But the
level of, if you will, detail that the government is now putting forward to substantiate their case, which in essence they say, UNRWA has become a
voice piece, if you will, to launder the message from Hamas.
And they point to a situation early in October where UNRWA had initially tweeted that some of its staff members were forced to leave a compound.
Hamas or others came in and siphoned off fuel and took equipment. And then a few days later, UNRWA took that statement -- Twitter statement down, said
that they'd been misleading reports on the media.
This is according to the Israeli government. And so, the Israeli government says, look, this is, in effect, UNRWA being complicit or under the thumb of
Hamas. So, this is a very, very detailed allegation that the Israeli government is making. And as yet, we do not have a detailed response from
UNRWA.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah, UNRWA, we should note also one of the largest employees in Gaza, as well. Nic, I also want to ask you about what we heard from
President Biden today in terms of how he plans to respond to the killing of three U.S. service members over the weekend.
And he said he has decided how to respond in response to that attack. We don't know exactly what that is. Fill us in on what you're hearing and how
perhaps the Israelis are anticipating or preparing for what could be, you know, what many fear, wider escalation.
ROBERTSON: Yeah, the President was also asking, I think this is very pertinent to how Israel would prepare and feel about it. The president was
asked if Iran was behind the attack and he indicated it was certainly, he understood Iranian made weapons drone that was used in the attack and that
wouldn't be the first time that has happened.
But this now leads him to the point of this decision that is made, is it to strike inside Iran? Is it to strike at Iran's interests and assets, its
proxies across the region. Would those proxies just be those in Iraq that were behind this? Of course, the Iran-backed militias in Iraq are
incredibly powerful and a part of what's trying to push the United States, push the Iraqi government, to push the United States to leave Iraq, to
leave Syria.
So, there's an awful lot at stake. But when you look at how escalation could turn, I think everyone in this region would understand that whatever
strike and wherever the United States strikes, Iran or and its proxies will act up and act back and strike back at targets that they think that they
can reach.
Now, would they choose to try to reach targets in Israel? Would they activate Hezbollah to increase its actions along the northern border and
tempt the IDF into an even bigger escalation of force that's currently happening at a slow pace along the northern border of Israel with Lebanon?
From the Israeli government's perspective, they've always said, look, the big problem here is Iran. Iran is behind Hamas, they're behind Hezbollah,
they're behind the Houthis, they're behind the Iran-backed militias inside Iraq. They're growing in power, growing in influence.
This is not the days of 20 years ago where Iran was back in Hezbollah and Lebanon. These are all joined up and integrated. Iran backs forces inside
of Syria. It's a growing threat. That's this Israeli government's position. So, they would be most likely appreciative of a strong strike against Iran,
but aware that could lead to an escalation.
And now, you have to look at this right now and say, look, this has been tit for tat with the United States and the Iranian proxies have had more
than 170 strikes against U.S. forces in Iraq and Syria since October 7th, that this is a tit for tat escalation that's been growing and growing and
growing.
And this is the latest step, albeit a big step, and consequential for the President. But there's going to be follow-on from the other side. This
isn't over. This is just the next step.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah, not over. And also, speculation this could be a laddered response, too, not just a one and done response from the United States, but
noteworthy that we heard from the President for the first time since the attack today say that he has made a decision in terms of how to respond.
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Nic Robertson, thank you. Well, tomorrow, we'll be speaking to the Executive Director of U.N. Watch, Hillel Neuer, who has been investigating
UNRWA for nearly a decade, and Dr. Tanya Haj Hassan, a Humanitarian Pediatric Intensive Care Doctor on some of the challenges facing hospitals
in Gaza and the potential impact of UNRWA's funding being cut.
That is tomorrow on "One World". Well, coming up for us today, CNN takes you into the trenches alongside Ukrainian troops as they fight off the
Russian army.
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GOLODRYGA: Well, Ukraine says its troops have expanded their foothold across the Dnipro River in the Russian-controlled portion of the Kherson
region. Ukrainian officials stress that the situation in the area is fluid and Russian attacks are not letting up.
And as the pressure mounts, Ukraine's military is running low on supplies, prompting urgent pleas from NATO asking for more ammunition from Ukraine's
allies. A request echoed by U.S. top diplomat Antony Blinken. CNN's Fred Pleitgen gives us a look at what it's like on the front lines in eastern
Ukraine. And we warn you, some images in his report are graphic.
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FRED PLEITGEN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): All out warfare in unforgiving terrain. Forest battles in eastern Ukraine mean
facing a near constant Russian onslaught. Vladimir Putin's army trying to break through Ukrainian defenses. Dmitro is one of those holding them up.
DMITRO (through translator): The situation is very active and very tense, he says, because the enemy has much more equipment and manpower. Basically,
every day they try to storm the positions.
PLEITGEN (voice-over): A dead Russian soldier and a destroyed tank showed just how close the Russians have come. It's a fight for survival and
against the elements. The trench, cold, wet and soggy, the only heat coming from candles, the soldiers cower around, gathering strength to face
overwhelming Russian firepower.
They shoot direct fire. Planes are flying. Basically, they have it all, he says. But probably the worst are tanks. When they fire, you don't even hear
it. You hear an airplane when it comes over with a tank, you're in God's hands.
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Artillery fire -- another threat here, as we found out when we came under fire trying to make it to the area.
PLEITGEN: This is unfortunately something that when we work here in the east of the country happens all too often. We were getting ready to film
here and then all of a sudden we heard what appeared to be outgoing artillery but then a shell came in.
One hundred meters. Gotcha. We're now trying to make our way out of here as safe as possible. That means we have to keep distance between our cars but
we also of course have to keep moving the entire time to make sure that we can get out of here hopefully, safely.
PLEITGEN (voice-over): We believe a Russian drone spotted us and directed the artillery fire. But two can play that game. Naziri is a Ukrainian drone
pilot. He guides Kyiv's artillery guns targeting Russian infantry, but also armored assault formations, including main battle tanks. He says ammo
shortages mean he has to be extremely precise.
PLEITGEN (voice-over): It's no secret we're starved of artillery shells, he says. We try to work as efficiently and accurately as possible to hit the
enemy's firepower. Trying to fight back any way they can on one of the toughest battlefields of this war. Fred Pleitgen, CNN in eastern Ukraine.
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GOLODRYGA: Our thanks to Fred for that report. I want to now bring in Yaroslav Trofimov, the author of "Our Enemies Will Vanish" and Chief
Foreign Affairs Correspondent for "The Wall Street Journal".
Yaroslav, it's good to see you again. Once again, congratulations on the fantastic book.
YAROSLAV TROFIMOV, CHIEF FOREIGN AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT, "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL": Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: And as you and I have spoken earlier, as we just heard from that Ukrainian drone operator, Ukraine is being starved of artillery shells at
this point. They are desperate for more ammunition. This as it appears, a bill in Congress is dead on arrival perhaps or at least delayed a longer
term for the $60 million -- $60 billion in aid that has been promised to Ukraine.
It looks like $50 billion may be going from the E.U. sooner than that, perhaps even signed this week. How is that going to impact Ukraine and
their need for more ammunition now?
TROFIMOV: Well, I think it's already impacting. And if Ukraine and Russia had a parity in artillery ammunition several months ago, now the Russians
have an advantage of perhaps as much as 10 to 1 for every shell fired.
And that really translates into higher and higher Ukrainian casualties in the battlefield. The U.S. military assistance has dried up because of
delays in Congress. That 50 billion euros that you mentioned of European funding is not a one-off. It's a multi-year effort that, so far, has been
sabotaged by Hungary, though there might be ways of resolving that.
But the key thing is that while Ukraine's allies are dithering, Russia has allies of its own, and North Korea has shipped about a million artillery
shells to Russian forces in Ukraine, according to U.S. officials, which is about three times what the entire European Union has been able to ship.
GOLODRYGA: And this comes as Russia is fully on a wartime footing right now. Just today the IMF said that Russia's economy will grow even faster
than they had originally expected and that's raising a lot of questions on the effectiveness. The multi-years of sanctions leveled against Russia
since the war began now largely aimed at their natural resources, that being oil, but that seems to have held up pretty well for Russia up until
now.
At the same time, there are reports, rumors over the last 24 hours of perhaps some reshuffling in Ukraine of their top military brass and whether
General Zaluzhny will keep his job. Talk about the concerns on those rumors and the speculation there and what that means as to a new strategy going
into this new year.
TROFIMOV: Yeah, absolutely. Well, first of all, about sanctions. What the Ukrainians have seen is that the Russian missiles that keep falling on
Ukraine have fresh components made in the West. So, it means that Russia is able to circumvent its restrictions and bring in all these chips and other
electronics to kill Ukrainian.
Now, yes, there were lots of rumors swirling around here yesterday about the possible decision to remove General Zaluzhny, the commander of
Ukrainian Armed Forces -- that decision was not made. General Zaluzhny remains in his office. And we've known for a long time that there is
certain tension between the President -- President Zelenskyy and General Zaluzhny, which also happened in other wars.
If you remember, the U.S. Presidents had sometimes difficult relations with generals during World War II. I remember MacArthur. And so, I think the
most important thing is that, so far, this has been contained. And I think General Zaluzhny is very popular in Ukraine. And the risks of removing him,
I think, quite clear to everyone in the political leadership, but also among Ukraine's partners that are cautioning -- caution, really, in this
respect.
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GOLODRYGA: Yeah. We know that General Zaluzhny had created some public tension between him and President Zelenskyy in an interview last year where
he was very transparent in his assessment saying that the status of the war is effectively in a stalemate at this point. Zelenskyy really taking issue
with that.
But in terms of what a new strategy looks like, there is a lot of blame to go around and rightly so that the West is not supplying Ukraine with the
armament that it needs yesterday, not even today or tomorrow. But that having been said, I'd like to get you to respond to an assessment piece
written by Mike Kaufman, Rob Lee, and Dara Massicot for "War on the Rocks". And it's a lengthy one, but I want to read it for our viewers and have you
respond.
"It is clear Ukraine and the West need a new strategic vision. This means planning beyond the next six months or the next offensive operation. While
the current state of the war has been described as a stalemate, spurring an animated debate over what that means, Russia holds material, industrial and
manpower advantages in 2024 along with the initiative. However, with tailored Western support, Ukraine could hold against Russian forces this
year and rebuild the necessary advantage to conduct large-scale offensive operations in 2025, recreating another opportunity to deal Russia a
battlefield defeat. Conversely, without major adjustments, or if Western support falters, the current path holds a high risk of exhaustion over time
and Ukraine being forced to negotiate with Moscow from a position of weakness."
Is that an assessment that you agree with? And does this really all lie with how much the West is willing to stand in support, not just verbally,
but with dollars, with armament for Ukraine in the immediate future?
TROFIMOV: I couldn't agree more. I think it's a very correct spot on assessment. Ukraine is on the defensive now. It needs Western weapons right
now this year to hold the line because Russia is again trying to gain ground. It has failed, so far, to gain any significant ground but it's
trying. And it does have this advantage in ammunition right now -- thanks to the North Korea and its own industries.
The Ukrainian military is looking very hard at why the offensive failed last year and it should build in the capacity of its armed forces with
training new brigades, and also preparing to fight once they have combat aircraft, the F-16s that are in the pipeline. But I don't think anybody's
looking at significant offensives this year. This is the year of trying to prevent Russia from running over Ukrainian defenses. And for that, also,
Western military aid is indispensable.
GOLODRYGA: Yaroslav Trofimov, we appreciate your time. Thank you so much for joining us. Congratulations, again, on the very timely book. Thank you.
Trofimov: Thank you, thank you. Great to be on the show.
GOLODRYGA: Well, coming up for us, Democratic lawmakers in the U.S. are accusing the House Republican, the House Speaker and his Republican allies
of a shameful display of partisanship. We'll tell you why, and it has to do with some of what you just heard. That's straight ahead.
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GOLODRYGA: Welcome back to "One World", I'm Bianna Golodryga. A U.S. House panel is poised to vote on articles of impeachment against Homeland
Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. Republican hardliners are accusing Mayorkas of refusing to uphold the law and breaching the public's trust in
his handling of the southern border. But Mayorkas says the immigration system was broken long before he came into office and encouraged lawmakers
to move ahead with an emerging border deal in the Senate.
But the U.S. House Speaker is signaling that the bipartisan immigration deal has no way forward. Mike Johnson was expected to deliver what's known
as a magic minute floor speech on the southern border right about now. But at the last moment, his office rescheduled it for tomorrow.
Democrats, meanwhile, are blasting Republicans for what they're calling a shameful display of partisanship and promising to kill the border deal,
saying that former President Donald Trump ordered them to do so.
CNN's Lauren Fox joins me now live from Capitol Hill. Lauren, a lot to get into. First, on the attempt to impeach Homeland Secretary Mayorkas. As of
now, does it appear that there are enough votes to do just that?
LAUREN FOX, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, there's definitely going to be enough votes within the Committee. The big question becomes once this
moves to the floor of the full House of Representatives, are the votes there then?
In fact, I asked Mark Green, the Chairman of the Homeland Security Committee, whether or not he was confident that they would be able to pass
that impeachment article on the House floor. He told me that they are still working on that.
And he argued that it doesn't really matter. He said he does believe that he's doing the right thing and pursuing these articles of impeachment
against Mayorkas. He said that he's doing his part as the Chairman of the Committee, but he warned that obviously, this is something that some
Republicans are still resistant to.
I think it's just important to keep in mind how narrow this majority is right now in the House of Representatives. Republicans have just two seats.
That means that they cannot lose more than two members and still pass an impeachment article on the floor of the House of Representatives.
Of course, once this goes over to the United States Senate, it becomes a major question of what they do over there. It's controlled by Democrats. We
expect that Chuck Schumer would probably try to make this an expedited trial and that, of course, Mayorkas would not be convicted.
But it's going to be an interesting moment for Senate Republicans because it's going to force them to decide where they stand on this. Meanwhile,
that border negotiation is ongoing. We expect that text could come out at any time now, but there becomes a question of how much Republican support
can that deal actually get in the Senate, given the fact that we have seen time and time again Republican leaders over here in the House throwing cold
water on that proposal.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah, I mean just the optics of the House impeaching the Homeland Security Secretary over the border as they at the same time are
wanting to do away with what many describe as the most conservative Border Security Bill ever proposed, or at least in modern years.
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I mean, I'm just curious about what thoughts you're hearing on the fallout politically, of what that may look like, and where the bill stands
ultimately. Is it up to Donald Trump at this point from your reporting as to where the Speaker will ultimately land?
FOX: Well, I think there's sort of two things that are happening here. Obviously, House Republicans watching very closely what former President
Donald Trump said, but you also have Democrats who seem to be taking this on now, feeling like they can use the border as playing offense rather than
just defense.
Because one thing that has been clear is that the border is an issue. And Republicans and Democrats alike acknowledge that. Now, Democrats feel like
they have a way to campaign against Republicans because their argument is, okay, we didn't want to pursue border policy changes as part of the
supplemental because we wanted to make that a separate issue to make sure that funding went to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan.
But Republicans injected that and now they are rejecting it. And I think that dynamic is one that you may see play out on the campaign trail. And a
number of Republicans and Democrats that I'm talking to, they say that this is going to be the campaign issue for both sides.
Republicans feel like they have a winning argument. Democrats feel like they now have a winning argument. I think we'll see in the ballot box in
just a couple of months.
GOLODRYGA: All right, Lauren Fox reporting for us. Thank you so much. We'll be right back with more.
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GOLODRYGA: Venezuela's leftist government, in power for a quarter of a century has promised to hold free elections this year. The political
turmoil is building again. The opposition is crying foul because its most popular candidate, Maria Machado, is officially banned from running for
President.
Just days ago, that ruling was upheld by the country's Supreme Court, controlled by President Nicolas Maduro's party. The White House, which had
offered to ease sanctions on Venezuela in exchange for Democratic elections, now accused the Maduro government of breaking its promise.
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JOHN KIRBY, SPOKESPERSON, U.S. NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL: The Maduro regime, when they signed on in October down in Barbados, made some
commitments about opposition political parties, about free and fair elections and what all that meant. And they haven't taken those actions.
Now, accordingly, they got told April to do so. So, we have options available to us. I'm not going to preview any of those at this time, but we
certainly have options with respect to sanctions and that kind of thing that we could take.
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GOLODRYGA: For more on this, let's bring in Stefano Pozzebon. Stefano, how is Venezuela responding to potentially more sanctions now from the U.S.?
STEFANO POZZEBON, JOURNALIST: Well, Bianna, the Venezuelan government, the Maduro government, is showing defiance, saying that they will not claw in
front of what they called is American or imperialistic aggression. But Bianna, we need to understand that this crisis really has the potential of
making an impact in the U.S. presidential race later this year.
Because when it came to power, Biden really bet big on diplomacy and engaging with Maduro to try find a solution to over a decade of political
crisis in Venezuela. And last week, Maduro signaled that he was walking back on his pledge.
So, now Biden faces a new dilemma on whether to impose the sanctions or not, because if he doesn't impose the sanctions, it will look like an about
face to the other democratic nations in the region and to other democratic nations in the world. But if they do impose the sanctions, and in
particular the oil and gas sanctions against Venezuelan exports, which today the State Department told us that they are looking at reimposing them
by April 18.
If you do impose these sanctions, it could create open two new fronts eating heart at the White House in the election because it could create
price spikes at the pump for U.S. gas consumers and it could create a new migration crisis inside Venezuela. And we already know that Venezuelans are
among the most numerous migrant groups apprehended at the U.S. southern border.
So, once again Biden finds himself between a rock and a hard place trying to navigate a very complex international crisis in an election year when
he's already navigating a tight line in Ukraine and the Middle East. Meanwhile, Maria Corina Machado is showing defiance on Monday at a press
conference in Caracas. She said that she intends to run despite the ruling from last week. Take a listen to what she said.
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MARIA CORINA MACHADO, VENEZUELAN OPPOSITION LEADER (through translator): I received a command from almost three million Venezuelans who exercised
popular sovereignty on October 22nd. I represent that popular sovereignty. They cannot have elections without me nor the millions of Venezuelans who
voted on that day.
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POZZEBON: After pronouncing those words, Machado also urged Maduro to go back to the negotiating table to try to find a new solution. We know that
the other countries that were involved in that deal, such as Norway, have been busy in the last few days to try to recompose a climate of negotiation
and maybe revert that Supreme Court decision.
But now, the ball is back firmly and squarely into the White House camp on whether they do reimpose those sanctions and risk a new crisis in Venezuela
or let it sleep. And then it's another about face on the face of an authoritarian government. Bianna.
GOLODRYGA: Yeah, the last thing the Biden administration needs right now is another crisis in another continent. Stefano Pozzebon, thank you. And Maria
Machado will be joining my colleague Isa Soares in a few hours from now on CNN International. That's at 2 P.M. Eastern, 7 P.M. in London. You don't
want to miss that conversation.
Well, in many African countries, same-sex sexual activity is illegal and gay people can face imprisonment, violence and even death. We want to focus
on a disturbing trend in Nigeria now. LGBTQ plus people are being lured through online contacts to in-person meetings where they are physically or
verbally assaulted and often extorted.
A practice called Keto. Stephanie Busari has more as part of "As Equals", CNN series on gender inequality. And a warning, you may find some parts of
her report disturbing.
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IZZY: They beat me up, stabbed me.
STEPHANIE BUSARI, CNN SENIOR EDITOR, AFRICA: Izzy's story is hard to hear.
IZZY: I was being tied on my back, like my hands were on my back. So, I could not do much. So, they did what they wanted to do. They had their way
with me.
BUSARI (voice-over): Raped, abused, and extorted -- all because of her sexuality, a practice known in Nigeria as Keto. For Izzy, whose real name
is not being used for safety reasons. It began when she met a woman online. They exchanged message and soon agreed to meet in person at her date's
house. Izzy says it all changed when there was a knock on the door. Two men came in and things quickly got violent.
IZZY: Stripping with Nekes was really good. Just playing with my private parts, playing with my body parts.
BUSARI (voice-over): It soon dawned on Izzy that the woman she'd been dating had set her up.
BUSARI: But Izzy is far from being alone. CNN has spoken to 16 women here in Nigeria who describe being ketoed, lured through online relationships to
meet people who then assault and often extort them.
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And these are just a fraction of the thousands of LGBTQI plus people subjected to this practice here according to data shared with CNN. For
Raffiata it started with pressure from her parents to be straight.
RAFFIATA: I was ridiculed. I was treated like an inalienable entity. I was extorted.
BUSARI (voice-over): She moved in with a man she had met on Tinder, who knew she was gay, but he soon turned it against her.
RAFFIATA: He would tell me that, you know, I know something that people shouldn't really know about you. Do you know what they would find out, what
they would do if they found out you were like this?
BUSARI (voice-over): In Nigeria's deeply religious and conservative society where same-sex relationships outlawed. Members of the LGBTQ plus community
are vulnerable to exploitation and attack.
AFOLABI AIYELA, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, THE INITIATIVE FOR EQUAL RIGHTS: People in the community are regarded as less than and they don't have the same
rights as everybody else. So, it's very easy to take advantage of that. It's very easy to extort. It's very easy to, you know, target people in the
community.
With the focus of Nigerian law enforcement on queer people as the criminals, experts tell CNN, Keto victims find it difficult to find
resources to get help. Victims have instead taken things into their own hands, going online to warn each other of individuals who pose a threat,
doing what they can to shine a light on the abuse, while many continue to suffer in their shadows, unseen and unheard.
UNKNOWN: That's the most painful part, when you're going through all sort of abuse, because of who you are and you can't even see anything. It's a
different type of pain.
BUSARI (voice-over): Stephanie Busari, CNN, Lagos, Nigeria.
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GOLODRYGA: We are looking at live pictures there of a farmers' protest that's been going on now outside of Paris for more than a week. Farmers
across Paris have been protesting low pay and excessive government regulation. Convoys of tractors have blocked major routes around the
capital.
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Emmanuel Macron says that he's addressing some of their worries. The French President says that he's asking the E.U. to get a grip on food and grain
imports from Ukraine and to relax regulations on the farming sector. We continue to follow that story for you.
Meantime, billionaire and Tesla CEO Elon Musk says that his company Neuralink has implanted a chip into a human patient's brain for the first
time. The initial goal of the chip is to enable someone with a bodily impairment from a condition such as a spinal cord injury to control a
computer cursor or keyboard with their own mind alone.
Musk announced the surgery on X, the platform that he owns, saying that the patient was recovering well and initial results showed promising neuron
spike detection.
And a painting stolen more than 50 years ago by New Jersey mobsters has returned to its rightful owner. The FBI shared these images of the painting
and that owner. The piece of art is called "The School Mistress" and dates back to the late 1700s.
It disappeared in the late 1960s and turned up in the 1980s when a man bought the home of a convicted mobster. The man didn't know its
significance, and when he died, his family discovered it and contacted authorities. Back where it rightfully belongs.
Well, that does it for this hour of "One World". I'm Bianna Golodryga. Thanks so much for watching. Amanpour is up next.
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