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ZAIN ASHER, CNN ANCHOR: All right. The polls are open and the nation is watching. Two key races could be an early test of Donald Trump's success.
BIANNA GOLODRYGA, CNN ANCHOR: The second hour of ONE WORLD starts right now.
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BRAD SCHIMEL, WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT CANDIDATE: I don't control any of the spending from any outside group whether it's Elon Musk or anyone else.
SUSAN CRAWFORD, WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT CANDIDATE: It is about our rights and it's about our state and we're not going to let Elon Musk take any of
that away from us.
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GOLODRYGA: It is the most expensive judicial race in American history and Elon Musk is front and center.
ASHER: Also ahead, Tariff Eve. How Democrats plan to interfere with Trump's master plan.
And later.
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GOLODRYGA: Amazing. Coming soon to a theater near you. We'll fill you in on who's being tapped to play the Fab Four.
ASHER: All right. Coming to you live from New York, I'm Zain Asher.
GOLODRYGA: And I'm Bianna Golodryga. You're watching the second hour of ONE WORLD.
And we are getting our first snapshot today of what Americans think about Donald Trump's first couple of months in office.
ASHER: Yes. Special elections in two states are attracting a lot more attention than usual. The biggest battle is probably in Wisconsin where
liberal, Susan Crawford, and conservative, Brad Schimel, are vying for a seat on the state Supreme Court. That election will determine if the court
keeps its liberal majority or tilts to the right.
GOLODRYGA: Activists on both sides, including Elon Musk, have pumped tens of millions into the race, making it the most expensive judicial election
in history.
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CRAWFORD: The other candidate is a partisan politician who wants to politicize our court and is willing to sell our court out to the highest
bidder, the richest man in the world.
SCHIMEL: They are so wound up about the money in the race. You know why they're wound up? Because two years ago they got all the money and this
time, we're more competitive. So they're -- it's just -- their brains are exploding over this.
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GOLODRYGA: Voting also happening today in two Florida congressional districts. Now both seats went comfortably to Republican candidates just
months ago, but there are signs of enthusiasm on the democratic side that could make these races closer than expected.
ASHER: At any moment, we expect to hear from the White House press secretary about how they think the elections are going to go today. We'll
bring that to you as soon as it happens.
GOLODRYGA: Let's go to the White House to see how they are preparing for election night. CNN's Alayna Treene is there.
A lot of preparations going on. Liberation Day as the president is calling it with new tariffs unveiled tomorrow, but obviously, the focus tonight
will be on these key elections.
How focused is the president on these elections and the turnout specifically in Florida, Alayna?
ALAYNA TREENE, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Well, I think you're right to point out Florida specifically for this White House. We know the president
himself, President Donald Trump, has been making calls trying to help shore up support for their Republican candidate. Particularly one of these
districts, Randy Fine, where he's, you know, falling. I wouldn't say falling behind just yet, but is in single digits in a district, as you
mentioned, that the president won really with hefty margins in November, about 30 percent, actually, in both of these districts that they're
watching in Florida.
But this is something that the White House and his team have been personally engaged in as well as has some of his outside advisors. But I
think the really interesting to look at with Florida, in particular, is again the money difference here. One is you have the Republican Randy Fine
who's being very much outpaced by the Democrat in that race, about 10 to 1.
And again, Democrats acknowledge that it'll be a hefty lift to try and see a Democrat win in that district. Particularly again given the President
Donald Trump, carried it so much in November. But it is turned it into a real race and that's really what the big concern has been particularly from
the White House side.
Now that sixth district where I'm talking about the Republican, Randy Fine, that one is where they are competing to replace former congressman Mike
Waltz' seat. He is now the National Security Advisor, also the person who has been kind of caught up in the White House scandal regarding that Signal
message, but that's really where so much focus is on this.
Now, I think part of the reason just to take a step back and looking at why this race is going to matter so much is, one, again it's one of the first
real test that we're seeing as a potential response to how the president has done so far.
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I would note though, of course, that in off-year elections like this one, it tends to really be people who pay more attention, who are way more
heavily involved in politics that come out and participate in these. But again, still somewhat of a bellwether for where we are right now in the
middle of 2025.
But the other thing as well is trying to see how Democrats can message on this. I think a big struggle for them so far has really been, one, they are
still reeling after what happened in November of 2024, and now they're trying to find a unified message, something that they have unsuccessfully
been able to do, in part because, of course, this White House, the speed and velocity with which they are, you know, messaging different policy.
It's been hard for Democrats to try and counter that. So some of that will play a role tonight as well. We'll see how that goes.
And then briefly, I just want to talk about Wisconsin as well, because that is, of course, something that this White House is also keeping a close eye
on. Elon Musk has been very much involved in that race, spending tens of millions of dollars.
Yesterday, he was handing out $1 million checks. And really, I think in Wisconsin, one, of course, that race has long-term implications for the
state overall, for the party, but also the Supreme Court.
But it will also have a long-term implications for, you know, this type of fundraising that we're seeing Elon Musk do. If he is successful on a down-
ballot way, I mean, he was very successful, as we saw, in the general election in 2024 in helping get President Donald Trump elected.
If he can be successful in some of these down-ballot races, I think that could potentially change the way that Democrats and Republicans alike look
at fundraising moving forward.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Alayna Treene, thank you so much.
ASHER: All right. So, what does the polls tell us about how today is going to go? Let's bring in our chief data analyst, Harry Enten.
See, Harry, I was expecting to see a graphic about polling in Wisconsin, but as usual, you have your priorities right.
GOLODRYGA: The penmanship of a serial killer, Harry.
HARRY ENTEN, CNN CHIEF DATA ANALYST: Let me just -- I would prefer -- I would prefer a doctor. I am a doctor's son, but serial killer nonetheless.
Just know that if you get any strange notes underneath your doors, it's not a serial killer, it's just me saying hello, hi. OK?
GOLODRYGA: Yes.
ENTEN: Anyway, so serial killer notes aside, let's just sort of talk about Wisconsin a little bit here. You know, we'll start off there and, you know,
why is this race, you know, so important.
And look, it's officially a nonpartisan race, but obviously, we have a liberal candidate, Susan Crawford, a conservative candidate, Brad Schimel.
And look, in terms of Wisconsin, this is the ultimate deciding vote. The court right now split four-three in favor of the liberals. A liberal seat
is up. If Crawford wins, liberals hold control. If Schimel wins, conservatives take control. And obviously, things like redistricting are
determined on the state level. And so I think there's a lot of interest there.
But more than that, you know, obviously, Wisconsin is a gauge for the nation. You go back over the last five presidential elections, Wisconsin
has voted with the winner every single time. That is tied for the longest streak, along with Michigan and, of course, Pennsylvania.
So we're talking about Wisconsin in part because of that. But it's also because Elon Musk, right? We've been talking about him all the way along.
And just the amount of money that is being spent here. You talked about it at the top, $90-plus million. I wish I could just get a small share of that
90-plus million, then maybe I could work on my penmanship a little bit.
But look at Elon Musk. Musk and affiliate groups have spent over $22 million. Holy Toledo.
But here's the thing I will note. And Brad Schimel was talking about this a little bit. It's not like the groups supporting the liberal candidate
aren't spending. In fact, when you aggregate it all in total, the money that's being spent on behalf of the liberal candidate and the conservative
candidate, it's basically fairly equal. So it's not like one side has much of an advantage over the other.
Now, of course, Wisconsin is just one of the states that we're looking at. We're also looking at Florida, right? We've spoken about those specials.
And these are really red districts. You were teasing it at the top.
I mean, look, the first district went for Trump by 37 points. The sixth district, where, of course, Michael Waltz said, adios amigos, to join the
administration, went for Donald Trump by 30 points.
I'm going to be really interested to see what the ultimate margin is in these races. Not necessarily that the Democrats win or lose, but how much
do they outperform how Kamala Harris did a little bit less than, let's say, what is it, four or five months ago? The months are sort of racing by.
If they can do significantly better, then maybe that, along with if they win in Wisconsin, could be a good sign for them.
And then finally, I'll just note, look, here's the current House breakdown. Republicans have a historically small majority, the smallest at this point
of Congress since 1917, which is 218 to 213.
If they can get to, let's say, 220 by winning both of these seats, that gives Mike Johnson a little bit more breathing room. And the truth of the
matter is, I think he will take it. What he won't take is me writing him notes, because as we noted at the top, he probably won't be able to
understand them because, as you said, I have serial killer handwriting.
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GOLODRYGA: You are perfect, Harry. Don't change a thing.
ASHER: Harry, let me tease you. You don't take it personally, right? You know that we love you.
ENTEN: If you think for a second that I don't know that you're teasing me out of love, then you don't think I know anything. I love you, both of you,
and teasing is the ultimate love language.
ASHER: Impervious to criticism.
GOLODRYGA: Harry Enten, the son of a doctor. Don't change a thing. You're perfect.
ENTEN: Thank you. The same to you as well. You're both beautiful and perfect.
ASHER: So sweet.
GOLODRYGA: XOXO. Harry Enten, thank you.
ASHER: Flattery will get you everywhere. Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: Exactly. Great way to start the show.
Well, as Trump's sweeping tariffs are expected to go into effect in just one day, escalating a global trade war, CNN's Stephen Collinson put it this
way. Trump has got the world hanging on his every word, and that's how he loves it.
Stephen joins us now from Washington with more. Stephen, promise we won't talk about your penmanship. But let's talk about what now the White House
is dubbing Make America Wealthy Again, and that is this announcement over the tariffs tomorrow.
Most economists would suggest it will do quite the opposite, but yet, the president is determined to put these tariffs forward.
Just talk to us about the impact this could potentially have on his, now just short two months in office.
STEPHEN COLLINSON, CNN POLITICS SENIOR REPORTER: There was this extraordinary scene in the Oval Office last night. The president was
sitting behind the Oval Office desk, holding court. He had Kid Rock on one side of him who was wearing this spangly stars and stripes suit.
And Trump was basically improvising about what he's going to do in 24 hours' time, which could really impact the U.S. economy, the global
economy, and billions of people all around the world. And that is the situation he loves to be in.
But when you think about the great stakes and the fact that the president seems to have often a very little grasp of what exactly tariffs might do,
he sees them as this mystical force that could suddenly reignite American manufacturing, bring it back to some 1950s idyll.
It's quite serious, and that's why so many people are wondering what is going to happen tomorrow. What is exactly the president going to do?
If he puts, for example, blanket tariffs on, say, 20 percent on all goods coming into the United States, he's not just going to put prices up. For
Americans, he could tip the American economy and the global economy into a recession. So that's why so many people are hanging on his every word.
And he's now in a position to do what he's wanted to do for 40 years, and that's use tariffs as a weapon, which he believes will make the U.S.
economy even more powerful, many analysts believe could lead to disaster.
ASHER: So, where is Trump just in terms of being open to negotiation here? Because obviously, leading up to this point, we saw Claudia Sheinbaum just
really show us a master class in dealing with Trump, in not sort of responding too quickly, in not retaliating too soon. She was the opposite
of Justin Trudeau, and it worked, at least temporarily. Temporarily, it appeared to work in her favor.
Do you think that there's any room going forward for any kind of strategy with negotiation? Or is it a question of, you know, sort of the countries
that are going to feel the brunt of the tariffs are going to hope that possibly when America suffers as a result of these tariffs economically,
they will then change course?
COLLINSON: So there's very little sign that the administration is preparing for negotiation. If you look at the auto tariffs and other tariffs have
been imposed on Canada, for example, there is almost no real discussion between the administration, the Canadian government, and the provinces of
Canada --
GOLODRYGA: Stephen, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry to cut you off. We're going to go to the White House for the press briefing with Karoline Leavitt, who
is discussing this very issue right now.
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KAROLINE LEAVITT, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: Will be put first under President Trump, just as he promised on the campaign trail.
The president's historic action tomorrow will improve American competitiveness in every area of industry, reduce our massive trade
deficits, and ultimately protect our economic and national security.
President Trump's economic vision is rooted in common sense. America will offer companies the lowest taxes, energy costs, regulations, if they make
their products right here in the United States and hire American workers for the job.
It's simple. If you make your product in America, you will pay no tariffs. We have already seen a number of the largest companies in the world respond
to this economic approach.
For example, Project Stargate, led by Japan-based SoftBank and U.S.-based OpenAI, and Oracle, announced a $500 billion private investment in the
United States-based artificial intelligence infrastructure.
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Apple announced a $500 billion investment in U.S. manufacturing and training. NVIDIA announced it will invest hundreds of billions of dollars
over the next four years in U.S.-based manufacturing. And the Taiwan semiconductor manufacturing company, TSMC, announced a $100 billion
investment in U.S.-based chips and manufacturing.
These are just a few of the investment announcements that have already been made. And it is clear that President Trump's America-first approach is
already working.
In our new media seat today is Mark Halperin, the co-founder and editor-in- chief of 2WAY, a new live video platform that builds communities around interactive conversations with leaders and content creators from every
subject area.
Mark and his colleagues welcome all voices into discussions that are spirited but respectful. They have over 37.5 million video views, over 3.6
million watch time hours since the platform began just last year.
This is new media in its truest sense, allowing the people to ask questions, make comments, and be an active part of engagement on the most
important issues facing the country and our world.
With that, Mark, please kick us off and welcome to the briefing room.
MARK HALPERIN, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, 2WAY INTERACTIVE INC.: Karoline, I appreciate it. I will ask you a question about tariffs and one from our
members of our community --
LEAVITT: Sure.
HALPERIN: -- for that education.
It's perceived by some that companies or countries, if they change their policies either before tomorrow or after tomorrow, can have the president
alter what he is planning for that country or that sector.
Is that a possibility? And if so, what factors the President consider in making those changes?
LEAVITT: Well, the ultimate change for these companies and these countries, Mark, will happen when they decide to do business in the United States of
America. And as I just laid out, they will face no tariffs at all if these companies choose to invest here in the United States and to move their
production and their manufacturing here to the United States as well.
As for tomorrow, the president will be addressing the decades of unfair trade practices that have ripped our country off and American workers off.
It has hollowed out our middle class. It has destroyed our heartland and the President has focused on re-shifting our global economy to ensure that
America is, once again, the manufacturing superpower of the world.
HALPERIN: So if they do something today or later in the week that's a pledge for future activity, would that be good enough potentially to alter
the policy?
LEAVITT: Again, the president has been looking at the very unfair trade practices of the past. Certainly, the president is always up to take a
phone call, always up for a good negotiation, but he is very much focused on fixing the wrongs of the past and showing that American workers have a
fair shake.
HALPERIN: So if someone calls after tomorrow and says, hey, I'm ready to make a change, he'd be open to that?
LEAVITT: The president is always open to taking calls.
HALPERIN: OK. A question from one of our community members, Katie Reeds (ph) is a school teacher in Wisconsin. She's taught K-3 in public,
independent, private, and private schools. And here's what she wants -- wanted me to ask you.
She says, I see the elimination of the Department of Education as an excellent first step in the improvement of our school system. Do you see
any further role the federal government can take beyond this, possibly in promoting the expansion of voucher programs or reducing the influence the
teachers unions hold over our schools?
LEAVITT: Well, first of all, I want to thank Katie for her service to our country and our nation's children. Being a teacher is the most noble
profession that we believe one can have. And the president said, in his remarks, when he signed the executive order to dismantle the Department of
Education that he loves our teachers.
And in part, this order is to empower our teachers to have greater decision-making in the classroom. Nobody knows our nation's children and
our students better than our teachers who are with them every single day.
As for the federal government's role to get to the heart of Katie's question, the president has made it clear to Linda McMahon that we need to
find other places within our federal government for critical programs regarding education.
Pell Grants, Title IX, lawsuits, et cetera, civil rights lawsuits, all of that are critical functions, special needs programs, nutrition programs.
But there are other places throughout the federal bureaucracy where those things can happen in work.
The Department of Education has been a very bloated bureaucracy. We spent trillions of dollars on this department, and for what? Our children are
worse off as far as education goes today than they were when this department originated, and that's very concerning to the president, so.
HALPERIN: Two issues she cited are those of priorities for the President -- school education choice, vouchers and diminishing the role of teachers in
this.
LEAVITT: The president is very supportive of both of those things, particularly when it comes to school choice. He has said that school choice
is the civil rights issue of our time, and he wants every child, regardless of ZIP code, socioeconomic status, how much money their parents have to be
able to go to the school of their choosing that best suits their educational needs. And he is going to empower state and local leaders to
make those decisions on behalf of our nation's children.
Thanks for being here, Mark.
Jeff.
JEFF ZELENY, CNN CHIEF U.S. NATIONAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Just changing subjects for one second. The administration has expressed a complete
confidence in how all the deportation flights to El Salvador were conducted.
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But now that the administration has conceded that there was an error of one Salvadoran national, will there be any reviews conducted? And does the
president express any thoughts on the one error that was disclosed in court last night?
LEAVITT: Well, first of all, the error that you are referring to was a clerical error. It was an administrative error. The administration
maintains the position that this individual who was deported to El Salvador and will not be returning to our country, was a member of the brutal and
vicious MS-13 gang. That is fact number one.
Fact number two, we also have credible intelligence proving that this individual was involved in human trafficking. In fact number three, this
individual was a member, actually a leader of the brutal MS-13 gang, which this president has designated as a foreign terrorist organization.
Fact number four is that foreign terrorists do not have legal protections in the United States of America anymore. And it is within the president's
executive authority and power to deport these heinous individuals from American communities. It is a promise he campaigned on. It is a promise he
is keeping.
And every single person in this room should be grateful for that, considering especially MS-13 is very prevalent and prominent here in the
District of Columbia, in Maryland, and in Virginia, and the president, the attorney general, everyone who has been involved in these operations is
focused on eradicating these criminals and terrorists from our communities.
ZELENY: The vice president said he was a convicted member of MS-13. What evidence is there to back that up?
LEAVITT: There's a lot of evidence. And the Department of Homeland Security and ICE have that evidence and I saw it this morning.
Steve.
STEVE HOLLAND, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, REUTERS: Has the president fully made up his mind on the level of tariffs imposed tomorrow? We keep hearing
about a 20 percent flat rate.
LEAVITT: The president said last night he has made a decision and a determination. I was with him in the Oval Office earlier. And he is going
to announce that decision tomorrow. I don't want to get ahead of the president. This is obviously a very big day. He is with his trade and
tariff team right now, perfecting it to make sure this is a perfect deal for the American people and the American worker. And you will all find out
in about 24 hours from now.
HOLLAND: And are the car tariffs going to go into effect on April 3rd a schedule?
LEAVITT: Correct. Yes, they will.
HOLLAND: OK. And last thing, would you like to respond to the Chinese military drills around Taiwan?
LEAVITT: Yes, I would. As a matter of fact, the National Security Council briefed me on this this morning. And they said that the president is
emphasizing the importance of maintaining peace in the Taiwan Strait, encouraging the peaceful resolution of these cross-straight issues,
reiterating our opposition to any unilateral attempts to change the status quo by force or coercion. That is directly from the National Security
Advisor. Just for you, Steve Holland, of Reuters.
Monica.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you so much, Karoline. Elon Musk this week revealed that DOGE found that the Biden administration issued over two
million Social Security numbers to illegal aliens, found 20 million dead people marked as a lot in the Social Security system. Has the White House
confirmed these numbers with Elon? And is the White House looking into correcting this?
LEAVITT: I'm not sure about those specific numbers that Mr. Musk cited. I can tell you what the Social Security Administration has said themselves,
according to an inspector's general's report that was conducted last year, showing there was nearly $80 billion worth of fraud in this program.
We know for a fact there are individuals who are -- should not be receiving benefits on the Social Security rolls. And this administration is focused
on cleaning out the waste, fraud, and abuse in every agency, but particularly in Social Security to make it stronger for our tax-paying,
law-abiding citizens who deserve these entitlements and programs.
Because you did bring up DOGE, I do want to tout the incredible efforts that have been made at the Environmental Protection Agency. And
administrator, Lee Zeldin, is just doing a tremendous job.
Just yesterday and today it will be going into effect. He announced that taxpayers will be saved $8 million in annual lease costs by moving staff
out of the 323,000 square feet of space that the EPA currently occupies, which is completely unnecessary.
Yesterday, Administrator Zeldin also announced he will be shutting down a museum that the Biden administration built to tell a selective story about
the EPA's history and climate change. It was a real pat on the back to President Biden.
And guess how much American taxpayers paid for it? $4 million for this museum that I think only a thousand visitors saw last year alone. And it
would cost American taxpayers $600,000 per year to operate this museum.
Well, it's not going to exist anymore. We're going to save taxpayers those critical funds and administration -- Administrator Zeldin is very proud to
announce that.
And just at EPA alone and the cuts that they have made, they've saved taxpayers more than $22 billion in wasteful grants in spending.
Peter.
PETER DOOCY, FOX NEWS SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Thank you, Karoline.
When the president goes down to Florida on the weekends, does he ever hear from -- there are so many retired folks down in Florida. Does he ever hear
from any retired Americans who are stressed about these wild swings in the stock market because of the tariff uncertainty, and they're sitting there
on fixed income or living off the 401(k), and they don't know how much money is going to be left?
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LEAVITT: Well, certainly, they are legitimate concerns. And the president takes those concerns very seriously. And he's addressing them every single
day.
And tomorrow's announcement is to protect future generations of the senior citizens you mentioned. It's for their kids and their grandkids to ensure
that there are jobs here in the United States of America for their children to live the American dream, just like they presumably did.
And as for their worries about their 401(ks), their Social Security -- I just addressed Social Security. This President is always going to protect
it for our taxpaying senior citizens.
As for their 401(ks), look at what President Trump did for you in his first term. He is working on implementing that economic formula every single day
by lowering inflation, lowering energy prices, massive deregulatory efforts, while simultaneously effectively implementing tariffs. And they'll
hear more about that announcement tomorrow.
DOOCY: And you said that the president, right now, is with the trade and tariff team. They are very confident that this is all going to work.
LEAVITT: Yes.
DOOCY: But what if they're wrong?
LEAVITT: They're not going to be wrong. It is going to work. And the president has a brilliant team of advisors who have been studying these
issues for decades. And we are focused on restoring the golden age of America and making America a manufacturing superpower.
And again, Peter, I would point you to the investments that have already trickled into this country. And the president hasn't even made his tariff
announcement yet tomorrow.
There have been billions of dollars in private investments from around the world pouring into American communities. What does that look like for those
watching at home, for the people you mentioned worried about their own economic circumstances? It means more jobs in your communities, which means
more money, more investments, more money in your pocket. That's what the president is committed to.
And I would be remiss if I didn't mention the president's commitment to tax cuts, which we are counting on Congress to do, especially on Social
Security.
DOOCY: And one more.
LEAVITT: Sure.
DOOCY: Are the special elections today --
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ASHER: All right. You've just been watching a White House press briefing with Karoline Leavitt, the White House Press Secretary. She touched upon
the tariffs that are set to go into effect tomorrow, saying that they will improve American competitiveness in every single industry.
But one of the more sort of controversial issues that she touched upon was the story about this Maryland father, an El Salvadorian national, Abrego
Garcia is his name. He came to the U.S. legally, I should note, fleeing gang violence in El Salvador back in 2019. He's here under -- he was here,
I should say, under protective status. But he was deported a couple of weeks ago to El Salvador, to a mega prison in El Salvador, by mistake.
ICE has said that this was by a clerical error. She, Karoline Leavitt, just said that it was an administrative error, but also said that he was a
member of MS-13, something that is very controversial. His lawyers are denying that.
I want to bring in Stephen Collinson joining us to talk about this. Because, Stephen, there is so much uncertainty and so much unknown about
this case of Abrego Garcia.
Karoline Leavitt essentially saying that he was a member of MS-13. Obviously, his lawyers are denying that. But this is part of the issue when
you start deporting people from the country without any kind of due process in this country. Walk us through that, Stephen.
COLLINSON: Right. And they're asking us to take quite a lot on trust, considering they've just told us that this man shouldn't have been
deported.
What happened was he was deported to that notorious El Salvadorian jail where human rights organizations say there are appalling conditions. And
now the administration is saying that they can't get him back because he's in the jail and he's under El Salvadorian custody.
The problem here is that Karoline Leavitt says, well, she's seen the evidence that this man was a gang member. As you say, his lawyer denies
that. There's been no public airing of that evidence.
And I think this gets to the extreme nature of much of the administration's law enforcement, which is going on behind closed doors. And there's a great
deal of suspicion among many critics of this that they are simply rounding people up and deporting them and depriving them of their rights. People who
are here under those legal conditions have the right to a hearing. He wasn't pushed through any judicial process. He wasn't -- didn't have
criminal hearings.
So I think this gets to the fear that there is in many of these immigrant communities and real questions of legality and whether the administration
is acting in this case and in many others that we've seen in recent weeks, you know, according to constitutional principles.
GOLODRYGA: Strains credulity that the United States has no leverage over El Salvador and President Bukele was just in Washington. The fact that this
administration says they now can't do anything in response raises a lot of eyebrows. One would imagine the president could simply pick up the phone
and call the president there.
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Stephen, let's go back to the primary issue here at hand and the focus of this press briefing, and that is the tariffs that are expected to be
unveiled tomorrow. And between the tariffs and Signalgate, I just am taking a word from Jeffrey Goldberg, who was the journalist in the middle of
Signalgate and who exposed the story.
One word he used to describe it was unserious. And that seems to be how these tariffs are being handled by the administration. If for no other
reason than there's lack of clarity, there's so much uncertainty, we have no idea, there's just this guessing game that the president is waiting for
everybody to see tomorrow.
Give us your sense on the impact that all of this un-seriousness could have longer term on Americans in particular.
COLLINSON: Well, they're playing roulette with the global economy. Karoline Leavitt there was talking about how the president is advised by these great
experts, generational thinkers on tariffs.
The small group of experts that the president has around him are reinforcing his own beliefs that tariffs, which many economic experts
believe are a complete disaster and could throw the world into recession, are an effective tool.
We were talking earlier about the question of whether the president was open to negotiation or whether this was a bargaining tactic or whether he's
really serious here.
From what I took away from her comments is that while he's interested in taking calls from foreign nations, he appears to be really serious about
this attempt to completely remake the global trading system with tariffs. And if that's the case, there's going to be some rocky days ahead.
ASHER: Rocky days in terms of higher prices, in terms of inflation. It could be a lot of pain, especially in the stock market. Obviously, the
stock market, last time I checked, was in this sort of wait and see approach that, of course, could change after or will change after the
announcement.
Yes, there it is. It's pretty much flat right now. But that, of course, will change when these tariffs take effect tomorrow.
All right. Stephen Collinson, live for us there. Thank you so much.
COLLINSON: Thanks.
ASHER: We'll be right back with more after this short break.
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GOLODRYGA: Back to our top story. We are just one day away from what's expected to be President Trump's most aggressive tariff move yet against
America's trading partners.
ASHER: Yes. Time now for The Exchange. Joining us live now is Shannon O'Neil, a leading authority on global trade. In an opinion piece for
Bloomberg, she writes that Trump's tariffs will destroy the best cure for the U.S. trade deficit.
We just heard, Shannon, from the White House press secretary who essentially said that these tariffs, which are set to go into effect
tomorrow, will restore America's place in the world financially. And she talked about America's competitiveness rising across a multitude of
industries.
Walk us through what the reality is. What will be the reality in terms of the effect of these tariffs after they go into effect this week?
SHANNON O'NEIL, SENIOR VICE PRESIDENT, COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS: Well, we'll see what the amounts of the tariffs are. But if they are some of the
numbers we've heard 10 percent, 20 percent, and the like. The challenge here for the U.S. economy, the goal, or stated goal is to bring more
manufacturing back to the United States. That more will happen here because there'll be high tariffs on products coming from abroad.
But the reality is for the United States and for U.S.-based factories and U.S.-based manufacturers and the jobs that are along there, lots of those
to be competitive depend on bringing in pieces and parts from abroad. Or they depend on pieces and parts made here in the United States going to
assembly and factories and other places.
So what these tariffs will do, at least in part, is make prices more expensive for those in the United States. So you'll buy fewer cars or
you'll buy fewer blenders or all kinds of other things. And it'll make it less competitive for U.S. products to be shipped out into the world for the
United States to export.
And while the U.S. has the biggest consumer economy in the world, 96 percent of the globe's population lives outside our borders. And those are
a lot of customers to lose.
GOLODRYGA: We're already seeing this impact consumer confidence amongst Americans. We're seeing a significant impact in the stock market as well,
the S&P having its worst month since 2022.
What are the concerns you have about the impact this could have on economic growth? Could we, as Goldman Sachs has increased the likelihood of see a
recession as a result of these tariffs?
O'NEIL: We see lots of banks revise their forecasts and expect a recession or at least up the percentage of recession. And that's in large part
because what these tariffs will do for part of the economy. It's worth remembering that the United States just isn't that big of a trader. Only 25
percent of the overall economy is involved with the global economy is part of trade.
But for that 25 percent, we're going to see higher prices for consumers. So as consumers go to the grocery store or they go to the car lot or they go
to the Best Buy or wherever they're going, they're going to see higher prices on lots of these goods. So they're going to buy fewer of them.
That means fewer jobs in retail. That means fewer jobs along the path. That means less demand in the United States, which means a contraction in the
United States.
And add on to that for those U.S.-based employees, for workers in the United States who send products abroad. And these are the kinds of jobs
that are good jobs that pay more. There'll be fewer of those because demand from abroad, as U.S. prices go up, and as we might see retaliatory tariffs,
if we put tariffs on countries, they may put them on us. Those will make our products less competitive in their markets and so we'll see lowering
demand.
So overall, we may see a recession here in the United States. We'll definitely see higher prices, at least in many goods.
ASHER: Yes. And I wanted to sort of dig deeper on job losses because when you look at Donald Trump's first term and the tariffs he announced back
then, we saw more job losses in industries that were forced to pay these higher duties than we saw jobs gained in industries that were protected by
these tariffs.
Are you expecting the same sort of imbalance this time around as well?
O'NEIL: I think we will see that again. And I think the most telling example from the first Trump term is in the steel industry. So we saw steel
jobs go up slightly, but there are 80 jobs in steel using industries, intensive using industries to those that make steel themselves.
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So think here, you know, anything from making cars, making all kinds of appliances, you know, making cans that your soda comes in and the like,
those jobs, because of the higher prices, we saw a diminishment there. And those are many, many more jobs than the ones that went into steel.
So if we see, probably steel aluminum tariffs go into place, if you see tariffs broadly across the economy, expect those ramifications, those
effects on U.S.-based jobs to be much more broader than they were the last time around.
ASHER: We'll see what happens tomorrow. Shannon O'Neil, thank you for your time. We appreciate it.
O'NEIL: Thank you.
GOLODRYGA: And still to come for us, former NFL star, Richard Sherman, is the latest victim in a string of break-ins targeting the homes of high-
profile athletes. How the robbery unfolded, that's up next.
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ASHER: Retired NFL star, Richard Sherman's Washington State House was robbed over the weekend, while his family was actually at home. This
shocking surveillance video literally captures the moments. Look at that. Three people burst into his house through a window. I think they're -- yes,
they're fleeing the scene in this video.
CNN's Don Riddell is following this story. I mean, this is an incredible video. Walk us through at this point what details we actually have about
what happened here.
DON RIDDELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Yes. So the details we have are limited, but I think that video speaks volumes, doesn't it? That was actually posted to
the X platform by Richard Sherman himself. He posted it because he was looking for information to see if he could find the perpetrators.
You can see the men coming through the window are wearing hoods, masks, carrying bags. Sherman said that he wasn't at home at the time. He was
celebrating his 37th birthday this weekend, and that's not how he would have wanted to celebrate his birthday, but his wife and children were at
home.
Fortunately, they were all OK. Sherman said that his wife handled it masterfully by keeping the kids safe.
But he shared these screenshots as well, which appeared to show at least one intruder holding a gun. In one of the comments, Sherman said that the
robbers took a phone. It's unclear if anything else was taken.
We do know that deputies were called to the house shortly after midnight. That is according to one of our affiliates. But, I mean, an absolutely
terrifying situation, of course, Sherman, will be relieved that his family is OK. No doubt, I would imagine severely traumatized.
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And I think as you alluded to, this is just kind of the latest in a string of high-profile athletes being targeted and burgled at home.
ASHER: Can you imagine just how he felt just sort of not being there, while knowing that his wife and kids, at least retrospectively, were in danger
like that? It must have been just --
GOLODRYGA: Horrifying.
ASHER: Horrifying.
RIDDELL: Yes, I can't imagine.
ASHER: Yes.
RIDDELL: I mean, we know that a number of other athletes have been targeted recently, so we think of Patrick Mahomes and Luka Doncic, Travis Kelce, Joe
Burrow.
I know of an athlete who I don't think has gone public with his story, so I can't reveal any details about it, other than armed men targeted their
house. And they were so traumatized that they had to sell the house and move away.
So, you know, there may be other stories beyond the ones that are just reported. But, I mean, towards the end of last year, we did see that the
NFL, the NBA, the NHL, all were warning their teams to basically educate their players that this kind of thing was happening and becoming more
prevalent.
They were encouraging those athletes to be more private with their information, of course. I mean, we all know when they're playing games. We
all know when they're going to be on the court or on the field. We can watch them on television, but a lot of athletes are very public with their
movements and what they're up to on social media.
And so I think, you know, they were all being encouraged to just be a little bit more sensible about what they reveal, about where they live,
what they're up to, where they are, because they are quite vulnerable. They're also high-profile.
ASHER: Yes. Just lay low, you know.
RIDDELL: Yes.
ASHER: Don Riddell, thank you.
RIDDELL: All right.
ASHER: I appreciate it.
GOLODRYGA: All right. Coming up.
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GOLODRYGA: We have the big reveal. We could just listen to the music instead.
ASHER: I know. It's good to be back.
GOLODRYGA: We have the big reveal on who will portray The Beatles and not one, but four films. That's coming up.
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ASHER: That was the TV appearance that changed everything. The Ed Sullivan Show. There's The Beatles footage of them appearing on that show.
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Now Hollywood is betting big that the world still can't get enough of them. Sony Pictures Entertainment has announced not one, but actually four movies
based on the iconic British band.
GOLODRYGA: Yes. The films will tell the story of the Fab Four from the perspective of each member. British director Sam Mendes has now confirmed
the cast. Paul Mescal will play Paul McCartney. Harris Dickinson is set to play John Lennon. Barry Keoghan will portray Ringo Starr. And Joseph Quinn
will be George Harrison.
And here to discuss is John McMillian, the author of "Beatles vs. The Stones," a Beatles expert. That is like the coolest job title to have, by
the way. I should just say, John.
ASHER: It's not really work, it's a fun.
GOLODRYGA: You have -- you have a perpetual smile on your face in that type of work.
It's interesting and quite ambitious of Sam Mendes, who I no doubt will do a superb job with these four films, given how much is already known and has
been researched about The Beatles. And yet, he says there's still plenty left to explore. Just give us a sense of what is left to explore, what is
unknown.
JOHN MCMILLIAN, AUTHOR, "BEATLES VS. THE STONES": Well, you know, The Beatles had such collective chemistry as a group. And I think that that's
one of the big sources of their appeal. They just -- people love being around The Beatles when they were all together. They seemed to uplift the
spirits of the people they were around.
But, of course, they all had four different personalities and different perspectives and different vantages about some of the important events in
Beatles history. So I don't know how the film will turn out.
But I can see how they would want to look at the various angles of insight of each of The Beatles. And I could think of a number of things where they
might discuss the Beatlemania and the Beatle phenomenon from different perspectives.
ASHER: On a sort of separate but kind of related note, I am obsessed with Freddie Mercury. I've always been obsessed with him since I was a little
girl. I just remember the first time I heard a song by him, I thought to myself, how can anyone be that talented at anything?
And I remember when the movie came out in 2018, it really did revive my love for him. It all came back, you know, the Live Aid concert, all of the
songs, everything, just the way he danced, the way he moved.
And I'm wondering when this movie eventually comes out, what do you think its power will be, just in terms of reviving Beatlemania, or at least just
the love that Americans had for The Beatles back in the day?
MCMILLIAN: Well, you know, I was born in 1970, which is the year The Beatles broke up, but maybe a bit like you, I found some Beatles records in
my family's collection when I was a kid.
And one of the neat things about the Beatles is that children can really appreciate them. In fact, as you grow older, you can appreciate them on
different levels. And they can have more meaning and significance to older people, but as I say, young people appreciate them as well.
And it seems like, frequently, there are revivals of interest in The Beatles. There have been, you know, anniversaries of landmark albums, or
people tend to celebrate, or at least honor the assassination of John Lennon on a regular basis. And I'm sure, you know, Peter Jackson's
documentary was a big hit.
And so they just seem to occur in popular culture. And every time that happens, it seems like a great amount of interest is kindled, and these
productions are a lot of -- they're very successful.
And the deeper that this biographer delves into the individual perspectives of the characters, I think the more successful it will be.
GOLODRYGA: Well, the British invasion really changed the course of history in terms of music, not only, obviously, in the U.K. and Europe, but here in
the United States.
And it was interesting, I was telling Zain during the commercial break, I watched "A Complete Unknown" about Bob Dylan over the weekend. And to hear
even the rivalry and the tension between, you know, The Beatles, who had just come to the United States and made, you know, their impact here,
versus Bob Dylan, not to take anything away from him, but there was something -- there was something special about The Beatles that brought,
revived, I guess, the sense of joy amongst young music lovers, in particular.
MCMILLIAN: Bob Dylan and The Beatles both had a great deal of mutual respect for each other. And I think some people know that when The Beatles
started recording "Rubber Soul," John Lennon especially sort of admired Dylan for his gravitas, and he wanted The Beatles to have some of that as
well. He wanted The Beatles to move away from being sort of the teeny- bopper group and explore more mature themes and topics. And that was partly under Bob Dylan's influence.
ASHER: John, quickly, your favorite Beatles song, which one really takes you back?
GOLODRYGA: I thought you were going to say your favorite Beatles. Both.
MCMILLIAN: It's "A Day in the Life." It's "A Day In the Life" and "Sgt. Pepper." And that's a song where they started out writing two individual
songs, John and Paul. And their producer George Martin found a way to splice them together in a really powerful way.
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And each part, there's different parts of the song that reflect the different personalities of the two Beatles.
ASHER: Oh, my gosh, you're a true expert. That's like the deepest answer.
MCMILLIAN: Oh.
ASHER: Because mine was like -- mine was -- I was going to say "Yellow Submarine" for me, just because you don't need -- you don't need to have a
voice to sing along to that one. And I definitely cannot sing.
MCMILLIAN: Yes. That's --
ASHER: But I love your answer because it was just so profound and you really got into the nitty-gritty there. I love that.
GOLODRYGA: Sam Mendes may be calling you soon for some more research help for this film.
John McMillian, thank you so much. Wonderful way to end the show.
MCMILLIAN: Thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
ASHER: Any time. I'm sure we'll have him on again.
GOLODRYGA: Yes, of course.
Well, that does it for ONE WORLD. I'm Bianna Golodryga.
ASHER: I'm Zain Asher. Appreciate you watching. I'm stealing your line again. Don't go anywhere. She'll be back right after the break.
GOLODRYGA: I'm very humble about promoting myself. What can I say? I'll be right back with "AMANPOUR."
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